Lack backing up? lol....and what about the people coming from the Luongo trade....
What's wrong with Lack being the back up? He's at the same stage of his career as Schneider was 2 years ago. Yes, he has 1 year less of AHL experience but he also posted better stats down there than Schneider. He should at the very least be given the chance to win the spot in camp.
I think Eddie Lack is ready to be a backup and I believe I have the highest standards for people in our system to make our team.
He will be a superb backup in the NHL at the very least. He has a lot of poise for someone his age and I think he is a great goalie.
Thank you. Can't play on the a forever. His progress and development dictates that tge beat thing for him is to play backup for schneids with 20+ sheltered starts. Schneids only plays elite against elite teams anyway.
Like Gillis has said before, you need some of your ELC players to step up huge for their price sometimes if you wanna make a run in the playoffs.
No pressure Schroeder, Jensen, or Kassian.
100% agree. We need some new energy in the roster. Plus if Jensen and or Schroeder actually do hack it. That means we can use 8 million upgrading our roster!
If schroeds plays 3rd line center and Jensen 2nd line winger, and Kassian as 3rd or 4th line winger and lack is backup. I would be new ecstatic then if we got Parise for 9mm a year.
What's wrong with Lack being the back up? He's at the same stage of his career as Schneider was 2 years ago. Yes, he has 1 year less of AHL experience but he also posted better stats down there than Schneider. He should at the very least be given the chance to win the spot in camp.
Exactly, he needs to earn the spot and not just given it..
What's wrong with Lack being the back up? He's at the same stage of his career as Schneider was 2 years ago. Yes, he has 1 year less of AHL experience but he also posted better stats down there than Schneider. He should at the very least be given the chance to win the spot in camp.
And we also need to give him some games so that he retains his rfa status at the end of his next contract.
Jensen has as good a shot as any young buck in the organization to make the team, IMO. He was really good at camp last year, and I have never seen Vigneault drool over a prospect the way he did over Jensen last fall.
Jensen has as good a shot as any young buck in the organization to make the team, IMO. He was real good at camp last year, and I have never seen Vigneault drool over a prospect the way he did over Jensen last fall.
Jensen has as good a shot as any young buck in the organization to make the team, IMO. He was really good at camp last year, and I have never seen Vigneault drool over a prospect the way he did over Jensen last fall.
God knows the Canucks are due for a young-gun to step up and play meaningful minutes.
I don't see how people have Jensen pencilled in as top 6 winger while Kassian is on the 4th line.
Not very likely in my opinion.
I personally don't have Jensen marked for the Canucks roster, nor do I have Kassian destined to the fourth line. I just think the Canucks are due for a young promising forward to make a direct impact NOW rather than later. That could be Jensen, Kassian or Schroeder.
Comments coming from Shark fans is a need for a true first stringg goalie. Niemi, Greiss & Sateri all seem to likely peak out as NHL backups if at all. Other fan comments indicate the Sharks may be trying to market Marleau.
Luongo for Marleau may be just what both teams are looking for. Both are elite players at their position. Marleau with the Sedins or centering Booth and Kesler would be fun to watch, but equally Luongo in goal for the Sharks would pose a very tough team to play against.
Coyotes & the Canucks:
Phoenix has five right side defensemen (Michalek, Morris, Stone, Rundblad & Goncharov) any of which could step in an improve the Canucks as a top 4 D on the Canucks. Each are different and bring different skils and experience. Each would cost the Canucks differently, but Phoenix could use improvement both in the top and bottom six.
I think the Canucks have enough forwards, prospects and picks to acquire one of these defensemen without having to trade our prime roster players or bluechip prospects. For example, Raymond would be a solid improvement to what the Coyotes have on either their 2nd or 3rd line. Rodin or Schoeder would likely interest Phoenix and of course picks always have value.
If course ita not likely. It's not even likely Jensen makes the team. This us being optimistic.
I get that. But it seems like it's not really based on reality given that Jensen hasn't even put up over a PPG in juniors. Kassian at least had that going for him. And then again in the AHL.
It would make more sense to me if these optimistic lineups had Kassian in the top 6 and Jensen on the 4th line.
I get that. But it seems like it's not really based on reality given that Jensen hasn't even put up over a PPG in juniors. Kassian at least had that going for him. And then again in the AHL.
It would make more sense to me if these optimistic lineups had Kassian in the top 6 and Jensen on the 4th line.
Jensen won't be playing on the 4th line. He is much more top 6 or nothing than Kassian.
Sharks already have a pricy goalie, they are not spending 9mil in net without dealing Niemi. On top of that, they are looking to add offense with Nash not looking to move an "elite forward" so to say for a goalie.
As far as D goes... we have right now 5 dmans making 4mil+. We need depth not another top 4. Our top 4 is fixed and we are only really looking to add depth or even get rid of salary on d (by trading Ballard) not looking to add salary.
Pretty much bank on the top 4 being
Hamhuis + KB
Elder + Garrison
and right now the bottom pairing looks like Tanev + Ballard (which actually looked decent together).
I get that. But it seems like it's not really based on reality given that Jensen hasn't even put up over a PPG in juniors. Kassian at least had that going for him. And then again in the AHL.
It would make more sense to me if these optimistic lineups had Kassian in the top 6 and Jensen on the 4th line.
Jensen doesn't possess Kassian size. Kassian could very well develop into a poweforward while developing his physical game on the 4th line. Jensen is a top 6 player based on size. If he does well at camp, then top 6, if not euro league.
No and No.
Sharks already have a pricy goalie, they are not spending 9mil in net without dealing Niemi. On top of that, they are looking to add offense with Nash not looking to move an "elite forward" so to say for a goalie.
As far as D goes... we have right now 5 dmans making 4mil+. We need depth not another top 4. Our top 4 is fixed and we are only really looking to add depth or even get rid of salary on d (by trading Ballard) not looking to add salary.
Pretty much bank on the top 4 being
Hamhuis + KB
Elder + Garrison
and right now the bottom pairing looks like Tanev + Ballard (which actually looked decent together).
not that i think marleau is really the answer (if he's on kesler's line, is he really enough of a playmaker to make that work? he was decent for a couple of years with michalek and... bernier was it? but he seems to be predominantly a shooter now).
but how sweet would it be if we traded luongo for marleau and niemi--- and then we get to dump niemi in the minors/chase him back to europe? '11 round three was sweet revenge but not as sweet as this would be.
Jensen doesn't possess Kassian size. Kassian could very well develop into a poweforward while developing his physical game on the 4th line. Jensen is a top 6 player based on size. If he does well at camp, then top 6, if not euro league.
Jensen is bigger than almost everyone in our bottom 6 (Higgins, Hansen, Lapierre, Weise, Pinner). It's more that he doesn't really play that type of a game.
D. Sedin - H. Sedin - (Real 1st Line Winger)
Jensen - Kesler - Booth
Burrows - Schroeder - Kassian
Higgins - Malholtra - Hansen
Lapierre, Ebbett
3 scoring line, 1 shutdown line.
Hammer - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Volchenkov - Tanev
Alberts
Schneids
Lack
With this lineup we should have about 8 Million for the 1st line winger. canucks can start a new trend where if players take hometown discounts, your 4th line can be your shutdown line.
Comments coming from Shark fans is a need for a true first stringg goalie. Niemi, Greiss & Sateri all seem to likely peak out as NHL backups if at all. Other fan comments indicate the Sharks may be trying to market Marleau.
Luongo for Marleau may be just what both teams are looking for. Both are elite players at their position. Marleau with the Sedins or centering Booth and Kesler would be fun to watch, but equally Luongo in goal for the Sharks would pose a very tough team to play against.
Most Sharks' fans I've interacted with seem to think that Niemi is not the problem and that he was actually decent for them this post-season.
That said, Luongo would certainly stabilize that position for them which has been up and down ever since Nabokov left.
Jensen is bigger than almost everyone in our bottom 6 (Higgins, Hansen, Lapierre, Weise, Pinner). It's more that he doesn't really play that type of a game.
What do you guys think of Brendan Morrow? I was looking at the Dallas boards now that Jagr has signed and most of the users there were saying that it signalled the end of Morrow in Dallas and they were hoping he would get traded.
They also said they really needed to shore up their defence.
How about a straight up swap.
To Vancouver
Brendan Morrow (4.1m cap hit, 1 year left)
To Dallas
Keith Ballard (4.2m cap hit, 3 years left)
I've mentioned Morrow as a potential trade target a few times now. I've never been the hugest fan of his, but I really like what he might be able to bring to our lineup, even if he isn't quite the same player he was a couple years ago. At the very least, he's a guy who brings a bit of grit and 2-way play to our top-9. He's a guy who may not be a dynamic player in his own right at this point, but he is capable of playing with skilled players in a bit of a 'support role', much like Higgins. Granted, at a much higher cap number, but it's 1 year, and we have space...i don't think the risk is that high.
I wouldn't want to swap Ballard for him though. As much flack as Ballard has taken and as poor a fit as he seems to be here...if we move him out, we'll have to find a way to replace the depth that he brings, and there were signs that he was starting to turn things around, not to mention the chemistry with Tanev that shouldn't be overlooked. Looking at the deals being handed out this summer and what's out there on the market...i just don't see a feasible replacement that represents better value than Ballard at this point.
I'd much rather try to work out a deal for Morrow around someone like Raymond, or a guy like Rodin. Pieces that we don't really need and don't necessarily have a place in the lineup here.
The other guy who i think would fill a similar role as a 'support player' in the top-9 who brings some grit to the table is Scottie Upshall in a potential Luongo trade. Like Morrow, he's a bit overpaid and he's not going to be a dynamite 2nd line player...but in the right situation, he also seems capable of playing a supporting role in the top-9 a la Higgins while adding an element of grit that we're after. Would likely be very available as a quasi cap-dump in a Luongo deal alongside a nice prospect.
That said, if we somehow manage to lure in Shane Doan, then we don't really have a use for either of those guys. That would certainly be 'Plan A', but i'm not holding my breath on that one unless the Phoenix situation absolutely falls apart such that it isn't serviceable for Doan (which i think is highly unlikely).
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Originally Posted by Tiranis
What's wrong with Lack being the back up? He's at the same stage of his career as Schneider was 2 years ago. Yes, he has 1 year less of AHL experience but he also posted better stats down there than Schneider. He should at the very least be given the chance to win the spot in camp.
I'm still not fully comfortable with the idea of a completely raw and unproven rookie like Lack as the backup for a 1st year starter...but i am warming to the idea given what is out there on the market and the fact that Lack does seem NHL ready at this point.
Obviously it's a case where he shouldn't be handed a spot and needs to truly earn it...but i worry in that scenario, if we see something along the lines of the year Raycroft beat out Schneider when neither guy really took the bull by the horns. That is, if Lack doesn't blow the alternative away in camp, other factors like experience, the optics of sending a vet to the AHL, the draw of giving Lack an opportunity at significantly more developmental minutes as a starter in the minors, etc.
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Originally Posted by B-rock
I don't see how people have Jensen pencilled in as top 6 winger while Kassian is on the 4th line.
Not very likely in my opinion.
I think it's a combination of the fact that Jensen is very much a more 'top-6 or minors' sort of situation...and the fact that if we were to see Jensen on the '2nd line' and Kassian on the '4th line', there would be plenty of potential to platoon them both a bit if Jensen struggles here and there. ie. Jensen plays on the 2nd line, but doesn't necessarily play ALL of the 2nd line minutes, leaving some room for Kassian to take a handful of shifts there as well as a bit of a changeup. Essentially, you could platoon them so they both end up playing roughly '3rd line minutes' but with many of those minutes coming in a 'top-6 role'.
Comments coming from Shark fans is a need for a true first stringg goalie. Niemi, Greiss & Sateri all seem to likely peak out as NHL backups if at all. Other fan comments indicate the Sharks may be trying to market Marleau.
Luongo for Marleau may be just what both teams are looking for. Both are elite players at their position. Marleau with the Sedins or centering Booth and Kesler would be fun to watch, but equally Luongo in goal for the Sharks would pose a very tough team to play against.
Coyotes & the Canucks:
Phoenix has five right side defensemen (Michalek, Morris, Stone, Rundblad & Goncharov) any of which could step in an improve the Canucks as a top 4 D on the Canucks. Each are different and bring different skils and experience. Each would cost the Canucks differently, but Phoenix could use improvement both in the top and bottom six.
I think the Canucks have enough forwards, prospects and picks to acquire one of these defensemen without having to trade our prime roster players or bluechip prospects. For example, Raymond would be a solid improvement to what the Coyotes have on either their 2nd or 3rd line. Rodin or Schoeder would likely interest Phoenix and of course picks always have value.
Comments?
I'm not interested in either of these trades.
Also, I don't see how any of the players you mentioned would improve the top 4 on the Canucks D. Those players would be playing on the 3rd pairing, at best.
