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07-03-2012, 11:25 PM
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Is it because he no showed in the playoffs last season?
Around 60 points a season the past four years and defensively a standout....what a bum.

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07-03-2012, 11:26 PM
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Just for laughs..

Luongo, Edler, Jensen for Niemi, Pavelski, Clowe, 2nd

Trade Niemi for Gardiner

so pretty much Luongo, Edler, Jensen for Gardiner, Pavelski, Clowe, 2nd

Add for what ever side..

Offer sheet Weber!

Sedins Burrows
Booth Kesler Pavelski
Higgins Schroeder Clowe
Hansen Lapierre Kassian

Garrison Weber
Hamhuis Bieksa
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Schneider
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Is it because he no showed in the playoffs last season?
I guess one playoff run makes and breaks a player, as we've seen with the attack on Edler in several threads.

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07-03-2012, 11:27 PM
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Something I've been thinking about is what if we put Kassian on the 1st line? At least for the start of the season, we can roll with Booth- Schroeder/UFA/Connolly - Burrows on the sexond line, and give Kassian some serious ice time to rack up points and work with some of the best players in the game. If we keep him on the same line as grinders then there's a risk he'll never develop into more than that. It's possible that Kassian develops into the playmaking winger we need for the 2nd line this season, so when Kesler comes back we can do Booth-Kesler-Kassian. Kassian is a great prospect, but if we want him to develop into an impact player, he needs experience and confidence. If we do manage to convince Doan or Semin to sign here, obviously we do it, but seeing as that's fairly unlikely, let Kassian prove he can handle a top 6 role. After all, prospects don't do much good if they can't play.

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07-03-2012, 11:30 PM
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Not a fan of Pavelski at all. No thanks guys

Wouldn't trade Luongo for Pavelski eh? Wow, that's ... uhm.... very odd? Just curious, but who exactly WOULD you consider trading our soon-to-be-very-expensive backup goalie for? If a 27 yo 30 goal centre who historically has played very well in playoffs isn't enough for our esteemed tender, then I'm naturally dying to find out who is "enough".

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Around 60 points a season the past four years and defensively a standout....what a bum.
I'm not saying I feel that way, just why people are crapping on him.

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I guess one playoff run makes and breaks a player, as we've seen with the attack on Edler in several threads.
^This.

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Just for laughs..

Luongo, Edler, Jensen for Niemi, Pavelski, Clowe, 2nd

Trade Niemi for Gardiner

so pretty much Luongo, Edler, Jensen for Gardiner, Pavelski, Clowe, 2nd

Add for what ever side..

Offer sheet Weber!

Sedins Burrows
Booth Kesler Pavelski
Higgins Schroeder Clowe
Hansen Lapierre Kassian

Garrison Weber
Hamhuis Bieksa
Gardiner Tanev

Schneider
Lack
You really think Burke would give up Gardiner for Niemi?
And that trade with the Sharks makes zero sense for both teams. The Sharks lose two top 6 forwards, leaving them with Thornton, Marleau, Couture, and Havlat for top 6 forwards.
And the Canucks have a perfectly good top 6 winger on the 3rd line...

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07-03-2012, 11:34 PM
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I guess one playoff run makes and breaks a player, as we've seen with the attack on Edler in several threads.


Difference is we aren't saying we don't want Edler on the team or wouldn't trade for him, we're mostly talking about his UFA price tag and whether MG should pony up $5.5 or higher for a player who has never really taken his game to an elite level in the POs, nice moments in LA 2010 series notwithstanding. I'm not sure I'd take Pavelski for $6M either, but I sure would for $4 and ESP. If it only cost us our "backup".

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07-03-2012, 11:36 PM
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You really think Burke would give up Gardiner for Niemi?
And that trade with the Sharks makes zero sense for both teams. The Sharks lose two top 6 forwards, leaving them with Thornton, Marleau, Couture, and Havlat for top 6 forwards.
And the Canucks have a perfectly good top 6 winger on the 3rd line...
Thought Clowe was in there top 9. And yes I actually do think he'd trade Gardiner for Niemi.

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Esposito?

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Esposito?
Terrible.

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Pavelski will be going to CBJ for Nash, I think (probably with Clowe and Hertl or something). Don't see this happening.

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Pavelski will be going to CBJ for Nash, I think (probably with Clowe and Hertl or something). Don't see this happening.
Didn't Columbus already turned that trade down?

That franchise needs a new owner.

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Wouldn't trade Luongo for Pavelski eh? Wow, that's ... uhm.... very odd? Just curious, but who exactly WOULD you consider trading our soon-to-be-very-expensive backup goalie for? If a 27 yo 30 goal centre who historically has played very well in playoffs isn't enough for our esteemed tender, then I'm naturally dying to find out who is "enough".
Historically played well in the playoffs? Based on 1 year? Because he sure as hell didnt play well this past season in the playoffs, or the season before.

The guy lives off the reputation 09-10, and has people foolishly thinking he's going to hit that again when he has not shown anything like it again.

The only way I'd take Pavelski is if there was a deal in place to flip him to another team for a solid asset. Doubtful that any other GM would be foolish enough to do that though.

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Pavelski will be going to CBJ for Nash, I think (probably with Clowe and Hertl or something). Don't see this happening.
Seems like Howson wont budge from wanting Couture.

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Seems like Howson wont budge from wanting Couture.
What a tool. If he thinks Nash > Couture.

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What a tool. If he thinks Nash > Couture.
I forgot who said that he overvalues his players greatly.

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What a tool. If he thinks Nash > Couture.
Nash is indeed better than Couture as it stands today, doesn't mean his value is any higher mind you with the age difference.

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I would move Luongo and Jensen for Pavelski. Not great value on our end but a player that really solidifies the top 9. At this point, Kesler insurance should be Gillis' top priority IMO. Bolland or Pavelski would be ideal.
Too much imo. I'd rather gamble on Jensen's upside...we needed to get bigger without giving up skill, and I've bought in to the Jensen hype.

Luongo + Schroder I'd do, even take Niemi back in the deal.

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Difference is we aren't saying we don't want Edler on the team or wouldn't trade for him, we're mostly talking about his UFA price tag and whether MG should pony up $5.5 or higher for a player who has never really taken his game to an elite level in the POs, nice moments in LA 2010 series notwithstanding. I'm not sure I'd take Pavelski for $6M either, but I sure would for $4 and ESP. If it only cost us our "backup".
What would $5.5m get you this year? Replace Edler right now with a UFA available this offseason for $5.5m, I dare ya. And Garrison doesn't count because he's already here.

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Seems like Howson wont budge from wanting Couture.
Very smart of him, Pavelski is a Kesler-lite. Great player to add to a core, bad to build around.

Couture could be the #1C CBJ needs (or 1-2 with RyJo).

It seems like Vancouver fans are misguided with values of star players.

Trading a franchise player like Nash (debateable) or Luongo for mixture of non bluechip prospects, late 1sts and overpaid 2nd liners is how mediocre teams stay mediocre.

If Howson is trading Nash hes better off asking for 1 young star player instead of 2-3 smaller pieces.

I see the same thing with the Lu->TO prosposals. The Canucks need an impact player if we're dealing one...instead some fans are caving to demands and asking for tweeners and so-so prospects.

GMs like Gillis and Howson aren't. Smart.

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DTS I would rather do Luongo for futures than Lu and Jensen for Pavelski, and I really like how Pavelski plays the game. The reason is value. As you stated, it isn't good. Even though Pavelski would help stabilize the top9. I'd be more worried about getting the best return. He is not that.






Going to repeat my suggestion due to the other thread being closed: Andrei Kostitsyn. Yes, he put a black mark on his record with the whole Radulov fiasco. But this guy is still a valid 2nd line NHL talent. He may be looking to rebound.


People have suggested the oft concussed Mueller... Why not Kostitsyn? He's a big RW with skill. Sure there are motivation issues. As long as he doesn't clic with other russians, it will be much like MTL -- where he did produce like a 2nd liner. I think it would be good risk to take. Oh and he is in is prime at age 27...

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Very smart of him, Pavelski is a Kesler-lite. Great player to add to a core, bad to build around.

Couture could be the #1C CBJ needs (or 1-2 with RyJo).

It seems like Vancouver fans are misguided with values of star players.

Trading a franchise player like Nash (debateable) or Luongo for mixture of non bluechip prospects, late 1sts and overpaid 2nd liners is how mediocre teams stay mediocre.

If Howson is trading Nash hes better off asking for 1 young star player instead of 2-3 smaller pieces.

I see the same thing with the Lu->TO prosposals. The Canucks need an impact player if we're dealing one...instead some fans are caving to demands and asking for tweeners and so-so prospects.

GMs like Gillis and Howson aren't. Smart.
you forgot to explain the part in which columbus' needs are in any way comparable to our needs.

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you forgot to explain the part in which columbus' needs are in any way comparable to our needs.
We both need impact players.

Couture is that.

JT Miller + Dubinsky are not.

Ashton + Kulemin are not.

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We both need impact players.

Couture is that.

JT Miller + Dubinsky are not.

Ashton + Kulemin are not.
Except San Jose won't be trading Couture...they can hold out all they want for him, San Jose needs Couture more than they need Nash.

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Except San Jose won't be trading Couture...they can hold out all they want for him, San Jose needs Couture more than they need Nash.
And Toronto won't trade Gardiner.

And Florida won't trade (top prospect Gillis wants).

That's why Rick Nash and Luongo are still on their teams.

The mixture of 2nd tier assets isn't a good enough return for each respective franchise player.

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