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07-05-2012, 03:16 AM
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yeah, the free market is alwas the right choice. when you dont know what to do, choose less rules and restrictions IMO.

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07-05-2012, 03:18 AM
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Survival of the fittest is competition. Location of the franchise is irrelevant. So the Toronto Maple Leafs are a popular team in a big market. Does that mean that the Phoenix Coyotes being not so popular (just a random team don't pick on this) should have the same resources as the Leafs? If you are using the location of less successful franchises as an argument for the revenue sharing and cap, you might as well complain that Hamilton doesn't have an NHL team.
Winning because you are rich enough to buy all the best toys isn't survival of the fittest, it's just the ability to buy better toys. Winning because you can put together management, scouting, and training to win on a level playing field is survival of the fittest.

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07-05-2012, 03:25 AM
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Even without the cap the leafs will still not be able to buy there way to the cup finals, knowing our luck the leafs probably ends up as the chicago cubs of the NHL while teams like the Habs and NYR becomes pereneial cup contenders year after year just like the Yankees and the Red Sox.

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07-05-2012, 03:27 AM
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Salary cap may have some benefits, but its a commie system. "We dont have as much as you do? Well, you wont have it either!" This shouldnt work in any area of life including pro sport.

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07-05-2012, 03:29 AM
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We're not talking about sugar daddies pouring money into clubs. We are talking about clubs earning money by being successful and popular. Toronto has every right to use it's resources. Being successful isn't only about money. It also isn't only about having a good GM and coach. It's about the big picture. Being successful on and off the rink, whether that'd be by selling merchandise, getting tv income and use that to buy good players, or scouting good players and developing them to stars and/or selling them forward.


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Salary cap may have some benefits, but its a commie system. "We dont have as much as you do? Well, you wont have it either!" This shouldnt work in any area of life including pro sport.
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07-05-2012, 05:17 AM
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Salary cap may have some benefits, but its a commie system. "We dont have as much as you do? Well, you wont have it either!" This shouldnt work in any area of life including pro sport.
So can I assume you would also be in favor of scrapping the draft and allowing new players entering the league to be sold to the highest bidder.

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07-05-2012, 05:38 AM
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So can I assume you would also be in favor of scrapping the draft and allowing new players entering the league to be sold to the highest bidder.
Make a rule which states that the first team to sign new players have their rights for a few years like the draft. It's up to the club to do the scouting and signing players, not choosing from some magic list.

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So can I assume you would also be in favor of scrapping the draft and allowing new players entering the league to be sold to the highest bidder.
Yes you can.

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Of course a Leafs fan makes this thread.

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07-05-2012, 06:11 AM
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I'm for it. I'm a New York sports fan, but i put myself in the shoes of a sports fan in a smaller market and i just have no idea how they root for their teams.

Nobody outside the big 5 or6 NBA teams will compete for the next 10 years for a championship.

Baseball has gotten better, but even there half the league has no chane, ever.

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yeah, the free market is alwas the right choice. when you dont know what to do, choose less rules and restrictions IMO.
Certainly worked for the banking industry.

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07-05-2012, 06:20 AM
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**** no.

i guess the fact that a small market team just landed the 2 biggest free agents is upsetting to some big market fans.

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F$&@ yeah!

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07-05-2012, 08:13 AM
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We're not talking about sugar daddies pouring money into clubs. We are talking about clubs earning money by being successful and popular. Toronto has every right to use it's resources. Being successful isn't only about money. It also isn't only about having a good GM and coach. It's about the big picture. Being successful on and off the rink, whether that'd be by selling merchandise, getting tv income and use that to buy good players, or scouting good players and developing them to stars and/or selling them forward.




Agreed.
Do you think the Toronto franchise would be as successful if they were in Atlanta? In pro sports having the most money resides a lot on location, and there are only so many good locations to go around. However to have a30 team league the NHL has to have franchises in smaller markets, and it doesn't help to grow the game in those smaller markets if those teams cannot compete.

Let me ask you another question who do you cheer for and would you want to cheer for a team who year after year constantly sees their star players that have been developed walk away from your team to sign somewhere else?

The other thing you don't see is the NHL is one big business as a whole with 30 franchises. The NHL wants the NHL to succeed not just individual franchises.

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07-05-2012, 08:47 AM
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I'm not a fan of an NHL team, but IMO yes, they should get rid of the salary cap and revenue sharing. It's anti-competitive. The artificial parity created by the means of salary cap, draft and revenue sharing destroys the competitiveness in sports. This "parity" is artificial and makes the NHL and the NFL look more like entertainment business than sports leagues.
Every professional sports league is an entertainment business.

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07-05-2012, 08:59 AM
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MLB - American League - Yankees have won 7 of last 16 championships. Even in the World Series you typically see at least one big market represented - lots of New Yorks, Bostons, Philadelphias, etc. A small market pops up once in a while then fades back down, unable to sustain their challenge to the dominant franchises.

English Premier League - well-known example of big market teams absolutely dominant.

NBA - not far off; go all the way back to 1980 and you find domination by the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Pistons, and now Heat. A two-year run by the Rockets and one-offs by the Mavericks & 76ers are the only interruptions to dynasties & mini-dynasties. And this league even pretends to have a cap (EPL is at least honest that it doesn't give a crap about anyone but the big markets).

No frigging thanks.

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07-05-2012, 09:53 AM
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MLB - American League - Yankees have won 7 of last 16 championships. Even in the World Series you typically see at least one big market represented - lots of New Yorks, Bostons, Philadelphias, etc. A small market pops up once in a while then fades back down, unable to sustain their challenge to the dominant franchises.

English Premier League - well-known example of big market teams absolutely dominant.

NBA - not far off; go all the way back to 1980 and you find domination by the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Pistons, and now Heat. A two-year run by the Rockets and one-offs by the Mavericks & 76ers are the only interruptions to dynasties & mini-dynasties. And this league even pretends to have a cap (EPL is at least honest that it doesn't give a crap about anyone but the big markets).

No frigging thanks.
Okay since 2000 how many have the Yankees won? Anyone can use a time period to an advantage.

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07-05-2012, 10:14 AM
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Okay since 2000 how many have the Yankees won? Anyone can use a time period to an advantage.
The real effect of the Yankees' spending sprees hasn't been that they've boosted themselves to titles, it's been that they've reduced 10+ teams to perennial irrelevance in the process via salary escalation.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLE/1995.shtml

That's the 1995 Cleveland Indians, chock full of names that are familiar to even casual baseball fans. It looked like a budding dynasty. But within 5 years, pretty much every single one of those players had moved on, most for massive free agent dollars. And at the time, the Indians were regarded as big spenders.

The Yankees' salary escalation, and the entry into the market of other legitimate big spenders like Boston and Los Angeles meant that actually staying with a team made no sense for a player in a small market. Their own front offices knew this too, which meant that they were forced to trade these players before free agency hit so that maybe they could get something of value in return. 3 of the last 7 AL Cy Young winners were traded by Cleveland, two of them within months of winning the award for the Indians. That's what the Yankees have done.

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I think the hard reality of it is that without a salary cap and revenue sharing, the league would eventually start losing teams which would kill the national broadcast royalties (at least in the states). So in the end, the teams at the top would simply get a larger share of a smaller pie and even for them it would be a wash.

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Why get rid of the cap? Even with it, it doesn't hamper teams from signing players for a decade and a half for nearly 100 million GD dollars. Without the cap, imagine where it'd go from there. At least with the cap as is, you know if a team blows it's wad on a couple players, it quite simply won't have as much to spend on the rest of the roster. To splurge in one area is to sacrifice in another.

To me, the removal of the salary cap at this juncture, would destroy this league. Some teams have a hard enough time spending to the floor and competing. It's hard enough signing a top tier player now when you have budget constraints. Imagine how hard it would be if you removed the cap, and suddenly the top end salaries went even HIGHER. You'd never be able to go after top end talent, or keep hold of your own. Even though baseball shows that the team that spends the most doesn't always win...I still can't stand watching every talented player in the game end up on one of a half dozen teams.

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I don't agree with the cap, but I have no objection to it remaining. What should go is revenue sharing. If you have enough money to buy a franchise, you should be able to maintain that franchise on your own. No other business pays its competitors to remain in competition.

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This "parity" is artificial and makes the NHL and the NFL look more like entertainment business than sports leagues.
This is the entertainment business.

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This is the entertainment business.
Yup and that is sad.

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Salary cap may have some benefits, but its a commie system. "We dont have as much as you do? Well, you wont have it either!" This shouldnt work in any area of life including pro sport.
Broadly speaking it's called co-operation, not communism. It's one of the first things learned in kindergarten.

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07-05-2012, 10:52 AM
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No way!

What it must be like to be a fan of the Kansas City Royals. The regular season in MLB is unwatchable now because you go into EVERY season knowing that about 10 have a chance.

Every other team is just a farm system for the top ten.

Would hate if hockey was like that.

The Schultz, Parise and Suter signings are huge for supposed 'small market' teams, and hockey in general.

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