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Would you support eliminating the salary cap and revenue sharing?

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07-05-2012, 02:05 PM
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Odd observation but these threads always seem to be started by Leaf fans.
No, at least 1/2 are by Rangers fans.

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07-05-2012, 02:09 PM
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Get rid of the cap. It limits the success of big market teams in turn limiting them the ability to make even more money.




Hey I am Canadian so I believe in a healthy dose of socialism too !
We will pay the small market teams enough to stay afloat.
Do you believe in abolishing the protected territories for large market teams, also? Since it limits the potential success of small market franchises who would do better off playing in Toronto?

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07-05-2012, 02:13 PM
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Do you believe in abolishing the protected territories for large market teams, also? Since it limits the potential success of small market franchises who would do better off playing in Toronto?
Sure.
I am all for putting a team in Markham.

Adding another team close to/or in Toronto would put pressure on the TMLs to do better ... Capitalism my friend ... It works.
Just to add I think it is terrible business to put a team close to the Leafs. It would get crushed, but it is not my dollar.

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07-05-2012, 02:29 PM
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In the 2011-2012 season of La Liga 14 teams out of 20 scored less than 50 goals. Messi alone scored 50 goals. The next season will most likely be about two or three times, as usual.

That is pretty boring.

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07-05-2012, 02:52 PM
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Adding another team close to/or in Toronto would put pressure on the TMLs to do better ... Capitalism my friend ... It works.
Just to add I think it is terrible business to put a team close to the Leafs. It would get crushed, but it is not my dollar.
A second team in Toronto would automatically be in the league's top five in revenue. It's a no-brainer.


Seriously, the NHL is not Rapture. Jim Balsillie found this out the hard way when he thought he could just money his way in. It's selling entertainment, a spectator sport. When competition becomes one sided, the quality of that entertainment, and thus the revenue, diminishes. The owners don't want that. When revenue diminishes, the smaller markets disappear. Contraction hurts both the owners and PA.


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07-05-2012, 03:00 PM
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A second team in Toronto would automatically be in the league's top five in revenue. It's a no-brainer.

They will obviously sell lots of tickets just from the division/location they will be in. Having a team survive from the sale of tickets to opposing team's fans is interesting, but does not exactly scream good business.

The novelty of the actual team would wear off. At least IMO.

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07-05-2012, 03:18 PM
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No I don't think the Cap should be eliminated. But I do understanding the "Chicago argument" and I would address this a couple of ways....


1.) Cap hit is calculated the same way (AAV)
2.) 5% reduction in cap hit per season if player is re-signing with a team they have been under contract with in excess of 179 days (no sign and trade BS)
3.) 15% cap hit reduction for players re-signing with team that they have been under contract with in excess of 5 years OR were drafted by and have not played for another team.
4.) 25% cap hit reduction for players under contract with the team that drafted them AND have not been under contract with another team AND have played seven full seasons (min 41 games per season) with said team.
5.) All cap hit provisions are effective immediately upon satisfaction of the criteria. IE is player X hits 179 of contracted employment with one club in February, the cap hit is immediately reduced.


I know as fans its natural for us to look at our favorite team as being rivals or competitors with other teams. That's the wrong point of view to have. Teams more closely resemble partners than competitors. The health of the league is their primary interest.

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07-05-2012, 06:22 PM
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Ask Penguins fans...

No cap = lose guys like Crosby and Malkin...and as we saw in 01-04: Jagr, Straka, Kovalev, Lang.

Cap = top of league.

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07-05-2012, 06:26 PM
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Salary cap is great. It evens out the playing field, and it forces managers to be strategic with their dealings. Look at the Yankees, they have double the payroll of half the teams in the MLB. Oddly enough, you'd think they would win every year

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07-05-2012, 07:01 PM
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Should there be a salary cap and revenue sharing? Is it really fair to penalize some teams by placing a limit on how much they can spend? Should big market teams support other teams?
I support the cap but would like to see it even more fair to all teams.
Taxes still make it unfair.
Like to see the cap set at 70 mil + tax.In other words whatever each state or province tax rate is add it to the cap.

70 mil plus 14 %
70 mil plus 26 %
And so on.
That would make it a level playing field when going after free agents or resigning players.

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07-05-2012, 07:02 PM
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Hell no, I don't want a Yankees-type team in the NHL

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07-05-2012, 07:38 PM
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Salary cap should stay. It promotes parity in the league and keeps salaries and contracts (mostly) at a manageable level.

Revenue sharing should go. If a team cannot support itself, then it should be moved to another city where it can. This would promote better stability for the entire NHL, and eliminate the fiasco's that have been plaguing the NHL for the past few years. In the long run, this would mean more money for everyone involved, and being able to promote a better product across the board.

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07-05-2012, 07:42 PM
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the cap is the best thing that has ever happened to the nhl

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07-05-2012, 07:43 PM
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How would you "Grow a franchise" without a salary cap?

IMO, the options are salary cap v. shrinkage.....and we all know what shrinkage looks like.

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Pirates > Phillies.

How is this possible in an uncapped world?

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Pirates > Phillies.

How is this possible in an uncapped world?
That would the same Pittsburgh Pirates that last made the post season in 1992 and missed the playoffs 19 straight years and could still miss for 20 straight since there is still nearly a half a season to go and they only have a 1, and 2 wins lead over 2 teams in their division.

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07-09-2012, 08:10 AM
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People mistake the situation being Toronto vs. New York vs. Montreal vs. Carolina vs. Nashville vs. Florida. It's actually NHL vs. NBA vs. MLB. vs. NFL vs. KHL vs. SEL vs. TV vs. concerts vs. movies vs. theater vs. video games.

The NHL competes in the market of entertainment by offering hockey. It is rivals with the KHL and the SEL. Other competitors are football leagues, local entertainment and TV.

MacDonalds competes in the market of food by offering hamburgers. It is rivals with Wendy's and Burger Kings. Other competitors are steakhouses, family run restaurants and microwave dinners.

Why would MacDonalds encourage it's franchises to run each other out of business by spending more money on employees?

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07-09-2012, 08:28 AM
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Pirates > Phillies.

How is this possible in an uncapped world?
so wait, you're using the pirates as an example of how an uncapped league is successful? really?

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07-09-2012, 08:40 AM
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Pirates > Phillies.

How is this possible in an uncapped world?
LOL.

The Pirates have had 19 CONSECUTIVE losing seasons. This is the first time they have been this many games over .500 since 1992.

You picked the worst example possible.

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The pirates are a garbage organization. Cap or no cap.

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no because then u become the blue jays of the league. Good but not great because u share a division with the yankees/sox who have insane payrolls

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no because then u become the blue jays of the league. Good but not great because u share a division with the yankees/sox who have insane payrolls
The Blue Jays have the richest owner in the MLB

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The Blue Jays have the richest owner in the MLB
Point being?

I hate this argument, and it kind of bugs me seeing fellow Pens make it re: Burkle (but its even more dumb when the owner is a corporation).

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Point being?

I hate this argument, and it kind of bugs me seeing fellow Pens make it re: Burkle (but its even more dumb when the owner is a corporation).
They have no reason not to spend. It's not a dumb argument its laziness on the part of ownership/management to get better. This is why I am a Mets fan.

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The pirates were a garbage organization. Cap or no cap.
Fixed. They were.

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