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08-07-2012, 10:30 PM
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So much depends on the health of the players. Armstrong hid a concussion last year, and probably exacerbated his condition. Is he symptom-free this year? If so, he would bring a little depth and competition, not to mention physicality, to the top three lines that this team needs.

Also, this is a very different team with a healthy Markov.

Last, a lot also depends on coaching, and MT definitely has something to prove this time around. He never struck me as a strategist in his first attempt, but perhaps he has learned something over the years.

Edit: much also depends on what either of the Gallys do, big and small, as well as Leblanc. It would be great if the bigger Gally forced his way onto the team, while either of the other two young players also force passengers to sit in the press box.


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08-08-2012, 02:51 AM
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Well, they clearly hope that Gionta and Cole play better than Armstrong, so it's not like he (Armstrong) can/should move any higher than the 3rd line - unless he learns a new position, of course...

So if it ends up being Armstrong and Leblanc (for example) fighting for the most bottom-6 RWer ice time, I hardly assume that it's a foregone conclusion that Armstrong will win that one throughout the entire course of the season. I personally don't think that much of Palushaj, to be honest, but I'm not sure that he's much weaker competition for those spots either, at this point.
Dudley mentioned that Armstrong can play both wings. I think he will battle with Bourque for the LW spot alongside Plekanec and Gionta.

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08-08-2012, 04:00 AM
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Dudley mentioned that Armstrong can play both wings. I think he will battle with Bourque for the LW spot alongside Plekanec and Gionta.
I doubt Armstrong adequately adjusts/improves on his off wing enough to play in the top 6 without a RH centre to work with while moving the puck. But, since he only really has Bourque to battle (doubt Geoffrion enters this conversation) it could still happen. Of course, if either Eller or Gomez is moved to the wing, there's pretty much no way that Armstrong finds his way into the top-6, nor score the 20 goals he once showed he's capable of.

Also realize that I believe the only place he was ever used on the left in the NHL was most recently in Toronto (was a RWer with both Pitts and Atl), and that's where his level of play dropped to the point that he's unable to command more than $1 million/year - despite scoring 20 goals with Atlanta 3 seasons ago at what should have been the start of his prime.

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08-08-2012, 05:18 AM
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I doubt Armstrong adequately adjusts/improves on his off wing enough to play in the top 6 without a RH centre to work with while moving the puck. But, since he only really has Bourque to battle (doubt Geoffrion enters this conversation) it could still happen. Of course, if either Eller or Gomez is moved to the wing, there's pretty much no way that Armstrong finds his way into the top-6, nor score the 20 goals he once showed he's capable of.

Also realize that I believe the only place he was ever used on the left in the NHL was most recently in Toronto (was a RWer with both Pitts and Atl), and that's where his level of play dropped to the point that he's unable to command more than $1 million/year - despite scoring 20 goals with Atlanta 3 seasons ago at what should have been the start of his prime.
Dudley said that he played both wings in Atlanta. I also remember having him on my fantasy team that year and he had LW/RW designations.

His problem in Toronto was injuries and the trouble that he had returning from them.

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08-08-2012, 06:16 AM
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Dudley said that he played both wings in Atlanta. I also remember having him on my fantasy team that year and he had LW/RW designations.

His problem in Toronto was injuries and the trouble that he had returning from them.
so this would mean :

Pacioretty DD Cole
Armstrong Plekanec Gionta
Prust Eller Bourque
Moen Gomez White

As a our foward squad ?

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08-08-2012, 07:09 AM
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so this would mean :

Pacioretty DD Cole
Armstrong Plekanec Gionta
Prust Eller Bourque
Moen Gomez White

As a our foward squad ?
That is exactly how I see it with Bourque and Armstrong being interchangeable.

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08-08-2012, 07:26 AM
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Dudley said that he played both wings in Atlanta. I also remember having him on my fantasy team that year and he had LW/RW designations.

His problem in Toronto was injuries and the trouble that he had returning from them.
Well, if by "that year" you mean 2009/10 (when both Dudley and Armstrong were in Atlanta), that's not a particularly compelling argument either. That was the year that he hit free agency (healthy, too) because his play hadn't convinced Atlanta he was worth what he was making (~$2.4 mil)/asking for. Remember Toronto signing him, everyone thinking $3 mil was a massive overpayment (Colby remarking at the time that the offer even surprised him, and was the most lucrative he had received), and Burke talking about the "grit" and "jam" he'd bring to the Leafs lineup? That's how low his value had gotten by the time he joined Toronto. The injuries that followed just exacerbated his value situation, leading to his buyout.

But anyway, I'd love to know which line he played LW on that year in Atlanta, because I can't remember for the life of me. Kane & Peverley's? If Peverley was the centre of that line (he certainly took the most faceoffs for Atlanta that year), that would sort of support my RH shot centre theory. Anyway, it obviously didn't work out for him, as his play (and thus value) took a hit.

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That is exactly how I see it with Bourque and Armstrong being interchangeable.

Pacioretty DD Cole
Armstrong Plekanec Gionta
Prust Eller Bourque
Moen Gomez White

OR

Pacioretty DD Cole
Armstrong Plekanec Bourque

wich mean 2 big guys with Plekanec

Prust Eller Gionta
Moen Gomez White

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I hope the 4-year, 28 million dollar offer for Shane Doan isn't from us:


http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20082286.html

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08-09-2012, 01:06 PM
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I want AK back because of this !!

Great video by Waffledave, I believe.

Edit: Also, we need somebody to crosscheck Chara in the back. So many great sequences in this compilation. Still remember that play where he leveled Mike Richard and then ripped one right through the goalie.


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08-10-2012, 10:57 AM
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I want AK back because of this !!

Great video by Waffledave, I believe.

Edit: Also, we need somebody to crosscheck Chara in the back. So many great sequences in this compilation. Still remember that play where he leveled Mike Richard and then ripped one right through the goalie.
Always dreamed of a line made of:

Pleks-Eller-AK

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08-10-2012, 03:26 PM
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PACIORETTY - DESHARNAIS - COLE
BOURQUE - PLEKANEC - ELLER
LEBLANC - GOMEZ - GIONTA
PRUST - WHITE - MOEN

NOKELAINEN - ARMSTRONG

Gomez is still on the team because of Gionta.

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08-10-2012, 03:28 PM
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PACIORETTY - DESHARNAIS - COLE
BOURQUE - PLEKANEC - ELLER
LEBLANC - GOMEZ - GIONTA
PRUST - WHITE - MOEN

NOKELAINEN - ARMSTRONG

Gomez is still on the team because of Gionta.
1. Plekanec and Gionta play well together.

2. Armstrong >>>> Gomez at this point.

3. Leblanc is a right wing. Eller is a center.

4. Whats the purpose of the Leblanc-Gomez-Gionta line? Can't handle tough minutes and Gomez effectively kills any offense so it can't exploit soft minutes either.

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Is Cole the type of player to show his displeasure if a linemate isn't putting in the effort? We know from experience that both Plekanec and Gionta aren't that type and I think Bourque needs to have a linemate pressing him,since he'll be around for awhile.

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Pacioretty-Plekanec-Moen
Desharnais-Eller-Cole
Bourque-Gomez-Gionta
Prust-White-Armstrong
Nokelainen

Two key issues:

1) As much as Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole was great, the team didn't/won't survive with just one great line. Spread the love.

2) Speaking of love, as of now G-Love will be on our roster, whether people like it or not. Might as well make a spot for him where he can contribute.

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During Fehr's time with baseball's players' union, he fought vehemently against a salary cap and it's believed he's strongly in favour of lessening the impact of the one the NHL instituted after losing the entire 2004-05 season to a lockout.

One way to do that is to introduce a luxury tax for teams that spend above a specific threshold.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403006

If this is implemented, I think it might be a push towards the Habs keeping Gomez on the team. Ownership has the extra cash to pay "luxury tax." As much he has declined, Gomez is still a better option at 4C than Nokelainen.

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PACIORETTY - DESHARNAIS - COLE
BOURQUE - PLEKANEC - ELLER
LEBLANC - GOMEZ - GIONTA
PRUST - WHITE - MOEN

NOKELAINEN - ARMSTRONG

Gomez is still on the team because of Gionta.
You hit on something there, Gomez's even strength splits are pretty interesting. Over the last 2 years, (neither of which was good for him) he was +5 with Gionta, +1 with Pacioretty, +1 with Cammalleri, -4 with Moen and -14 with Kostitsyn.

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pax dd cole
bq plek eller
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I want AK back because of this !!

Great video by Waffledave, I believe.

Edit: Also, we need somebody to crosscheck Chara in the back. So many great sequences in this compilation. Still remember that play where he leveled Mike Richard and then ripped one right through the goalie.
This vid just reminded me how pre-Sauer AK was fearless and awesome...
Dat Diving goal

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With a new coach I don't think the top line from last year will remain the same, certainly the Canadiens will use a different system. I am thinking

Pacman-Gomer-Gionta
Bourque-Desharnais-Cole
Moen-Plekanec-Eller
Prust-Dumont-Armstrong

Eller and Cole are interchangeable, Pacioretty and Bourque too.

Markov-Subban
Tinordi-Gorges
Emelin-Diaz

Bouillon, (Kaberle or Weber), and White to round out the roster.

I am predicting surprises. Dumont to me is the player who reminds the most of Lapierre, the 4th line agitating centre the Habs have been missing. Seemed like he gained a lot of confidence under Jodoin last year, I think he is a much better option than Nokkelainen, who is just a big centre, not very aggressive. With Dumont and Armstrong on the ice there will be some hitting. Prust adds intimidation. White too could be as effective as Nokkelainen as a centre, if he improves on the draws.

I thought Tinordi was impressive in the Memorial Cup, and he is the element the Habs need on D. I don't see it being a stretch to have him on the roster opening day (whenever that is), given the players he will be competing with.

Geoffrion-Leblanc-Gallagher as the top line in Hamilton, all potential call-ups. I think St. Denis will get some time in Montreal too.


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08-15-2012, 10:29 AM
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With a new coach I don't think the top line from last year will remain the same, certainly the Canadiens will use a different system. I am thinking

Pacman-Gomer-Gionta
Bourque-Desharnais-Cole
Moen-Plekanec-Eller
Prust-Dumont-Armstrong

Eller and Cole are interchangeable, Pacioretty and Bourque too.

Markov-Subban
Tinordi-Gorges
Emelin-Diaz

Bouillon, (Kaberle or Weber), and White to round out the roster.

I am predicting surprises. Dumont to me is the player who reminds the most of Lapierre, the 4th line agitating centre the Habs have been missing. Seemed like he gained a lot of confidence under Jodoin last year, I think he is a much better option than Nokkelainen, who is just a big centre, not very aggressive. With Dumont and Armstrong on the ice there will be some hitting. Prust adds intimidation. White too could be as effective as Nokkelainen as a centre, if he improves on the draws.

I thought Tinordi was impressive in the Memorial Cup, and he is the element the Habs need on D. I don't see it being a stretch to have him on the roster opening day (whenever that is), given the players he will be competing with.

Geoffrion-Leblanc-Gallagher as the top line in Hamilton, all potential call-ups. I think St. Denis will get some time in Montreal too.
I dont think White will be on the bench and Dumont in?
Tinordi isn't ready and Kaberle will play and problably Bouillon.
Nokelainen is on a 1 way contract no way we pay him 500k to play in Hamilton

You know that Eller sucks on the wing position?

The only center that has the IQ to play wing is Desharnais.

Pacioretty - Eller - Desharnais
Bourque - Plekanec - Cole
Moen-Gomez-Gionta
Prust - White - Armstrong
Nokelainen

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Kaberle - Bouillon/Diaz
Weber

Price
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Whats with all this Gomez love? Eller, Leblanc and White in 4th line role are all > Gomez

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Moen-Eller- Leblanc
Prust - White - Armstrong
Nokelainen

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Kaberle - Bouillon/Diaz
Weber

Price
Budaj

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I dont think White will be on the bench and Dumont in?
Tinordi isn't ready and Kaberle will play and problably Bouillon.
Nokelainen is on a 1 way contract no way we pay him 500k to play in Hamilton

You know that Eller sucks on the wing position?

The only center that has the IQ to play wing is Desharnais.

Pacioretty - Eller - Desharnais
Bourque - Plekanec - Cole
Moen-Gomez-Gionta
Prust - White - Armstrong
Nokelainen

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Kaberle - Bouillon/Diaz
Weber

Price
Budaj
I keep hearing that Eller sucks on the wing, but I think he was probably at his most dominant in the playoffs 2 years ago against Boston, playing wing with Halpern and Darche/Moen. His speed and size could make him a very effective forechecker, more so than Desharnais, under Therien's system. He also has by far the worst faceoff % of the centers he is competing with. The rest is just my predictions, and opinions. Nokelainen is easy enough to trade, Weber too. Your lineup is feasible, I think the D is too soft, I hope we are tougher in front of our goalie.

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Whats with all this Gomez love? Eller, Leblanc and White in 4th line role are all > Gomez
Pretty sure Gomez will be in the top 9 to start the season....sadly

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