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07-04-2012, 01:22 PM
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WHen you start seeing what is handed out nowadays as salary.... 7.8 isn't that bad.

Then when you realize the cap will likely keep going up, in a few years 7.8 is even better.

If PArise gets 7.5 for 13 years and people want him, Nash at 7.8 for 6ish years (whatever it is) is fine by me and should be for many others
I agree. I don't know why people are scared paying elite players like Nash and Parise a lot of $$. We have the money to afford Nash's contract, plus we would shed some players salaries in a trade for him, so what's the fear? What else are we going to use the cap space for?

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It's really hard to reply to something this outlandish without receiving an infraction.

Those 29 other fan bases on HF, DO NOT HAVE A CLUE as to the value of players. They consistently underrate any Leafs prospect, simply for being with the organization. Also, they don't make the trades/value assessments... do they? Didn't think so.

Remember the "Kaberle won't fetch you anything CLOSE to a good package" talk? Because I certainly do. Yeah, those fan bases were close there.

And REALLY?!?! seanlinden.... lol I won't qualify that garbage with a response.
Finest ad hominem I've seen.

If you think Kadri has as much trade value as 3 year ago, then lol by all means keep him.

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07-04-2012, 01:23 PM
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Finest ad hominem I've seen.

If you think Kadri has as much trade value as 3 year ago, then lol by all means keep him.
Nobody here actually makes that decision, just so you know.

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07-04-2012, 01:24 PM
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I'm done with this
You just lack vision, I hope someone tries it and it works. Its not much different than the potential gardiner could have being retooled for forward. Federov could play All positions adeptly but if youre into people only being specialists in one thing then well, Lupul sure loves that off wing now, you know the one Carlyle wouldnt let him play.

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07-04-2012, 01:26 PM
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Nobody here actually makes that decision, just so you know.
Well thanks for the heads up, I was under the impression that most of you were aspiring GMs.

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07-04-2012, 01:27 PM
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Finest ad hominem I've seen.

If you think Kadri has as much trade value as 3 year ago, then lol by all means keep him.
Try using solid, logical, and honest analysis, when you're going to talk down a player.

Not the opinions of the fan bases on a message board, where half of the people are just kids behind computer screens.

Call it what you will, but you didn't provide a SINGLE concrete reason behind your wild claim that his stock has diminished, and he's not developing.

Truth is, it would be hard for you to do that, because you can't.

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Changing between being a left winger and right winger, is a lot different than becoming a center all of a sudden. Rick Nash is a winger.

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07-04-2012, 01:31 PM
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You just lack vision, I hope someone tries it and it works. Its not much different than the potential gardiner could have being retooled for forward. Federov could play All positions adeptly but if youre into people only being specialists in one thing then well, Lupul sure loves that off wing now, you know the one Carlyle wouldnt let him play.
Can you please list the qualities of Rick Nash that make you believe he could be a quality C? I imagine you must feel very strong about this considering the cost to acquire him is high as is his salary.

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07-04-2012, 01:34 PM
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You just lack vision, I hope someone tries it and it works. Its not much different than the potential gardiner could have being retooled for forward. Federov could play All positions adeptly but if youre into people only being specialists in one thing then well, Lupul sure loves that off wing now, you know the one Carlyle wouldnt let him play.
If you want to think out of the box it would make more sense to try JVR in center. As it would not cost us a **** ton. Hey if it works out I am all for trading for Nash and playing :

Lupes-JVR-Kessel
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Goals .. we will have them.

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07-04-2012, 01:41 PM
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Toronto converted him, go get Nash faceoff percentage. He could pull it in all respects,hes just like that. Probably be better.
Right, the difference between wingers and centers is exclusively taking face offs...

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07-04-2012, 01:43 PM
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I agree. I don't know why people are scared paying elite players like Nash and Parise a lot of $$. We have the money to afford Nash's contract, plus we would shed some players salaries in a trade for him, so what's the fear? What else are we going to use the cap space for?
Who ever said it was the money? It's more of an issue of what are you gonna loss to trade for him. Especially since we can solve our problems outself in FA next year.

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07-04-2012, 01:46 PM
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If you want to think out of the box it would make more sense to try JVR in center. As it would not cost us a **** ton. Hey if it works out I am all for trading for Nash and playing :

Lupes-JVR-Kessel
Nash-Grabo-Kadri/Mac/Frattin/Semin/whothehellever

Goals .. we will have them.
Nash isnt the best defensively and is known to be a bit of a puck hog, what he is, is a big frame with a deadly shot. The frame to own the net, with wheels. The system played sees the puck in via wing and corner. In this case utilize lupuls vision or even Kessels to set him up, he can also carry in as C with the best of them, he does that all the time now anyways.

He is dynamic and smart enough to play C with added size strength as a bonus.

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Who ever said it was the money? It's more of an issue of what are you gonna loss to trade for him. Especially since we can solve our problems outself in FA next year.
I believe someone on the other page brought up his massive salary, that's what I was referring too. And I've heard many posts on here about not wanting to take on a huge salary like that. Well for a really good player, it's worth it.

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07-04-2012, 01:50 PM
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You just lack vision, I hope someone tries it and it works. Its not much different than the potential gardiner could have being retooled for forward. Federov could play All positions adeptly but if youre into people only being specialists in one thing then well, Lupul sure loves that off wing now, you know the one Carlyle wouldnt let him play.
I don't think I would try that very often.. but when the leafs were lean up front before Lups and kessel I always thought white could take over kaberles role and he could try playing forward, coliacovo I thought could play they wing in a pinch.

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07-04-2012, 01:51 PM
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Do you think the Wings would be interested in Franson?

Not sure if we make the best trading partners though

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The fanbase of 29 other teams certainly think so, I could make a poll on main boards asking if Kadris value has declined since being drafted, it'll be yes yes and yes.

I think sometimes you have to take off your blinders and see things objectively. It's been 3 years since being drafted, he hasn't show any indication that he'll be a top 6 forward in the NHL, and before you bring up Brayden Schenn, just remember GMs can't bank on potential when their job is on their line.

And Kadri doesn't fit into the Leafs, seanlinden has explained it more than adequately.

Franson wanted more ice time. Leafs couldn't give it to him. Why do you think he's holding out this offseason? It would not surprise me one bit if he asked for a trade or signs an offer sheet.
an idiot will go ask for the value of Leaf players and will get garbage results on HF board. Geez, a guy with a decent head should figure that out.

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I don't think I would try that very often.. but when the leafs were lean up front before Lups and kessel I always thought white could take over kaberles role and he could try playing forward, coliacovo I thought could play they wing in a pinch.
Sometimes change is good, if banking on it is to risky, well he looks good with grabs and jvr,

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07-04-2012, 01:55 PM
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Do you think the Wings would be interested in Franson?

Not sure if we make the best trading partners though
still can't believe the wings didn't win this bet tbh.

I would be interested in Riley Sheahan though if we were to trade with them.

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Just to add Nash has stagnated on wing regardless of whom he is with, it may be telling that there is more to it. Talent is not in question, not at all.

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still can't believe the wings didn't win this bet tbh.

I would be interested in Riley Sheahan though if we were to trade with them.
YES! Would be an excellent option as a 2nd/3rd line C in a couple years.

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07-04-2012, 02:03 PM
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I would absolutely LOVE to make a huge splash next summer and sign Getzlaf and Perry but that would require Burke breaking his "no longer than 5 years" stance.

Hopefully the new CBA changes things

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Sometimes change is good, if banking on it is to risky, well he looks good with grabs and jvr,
I would love nash, but I would much rather add by addition than subtraction. The FA pool and the new CBA are way too tempting and resource responsible to make a trade for nash now... Unless they basically give him to us. BB will not lose his job for tabling this plan to ownership. And even if he did, he would rather be remembered as the GM that reshaped the team to the cusp of greatness by getting good pieces in and having a **** load of contracts coming off the books on the yr of the deepest FA pool in resent memory, instead of the guy that gutted the team when he blew his wad on that big name.
This year is good for kadri to join and show his stuff in probabaly a 3rd scoring line winger. JVR will get his chance at minutes, and reimer can prove everyone wrong hopefully.
Worst case scenario is, we have a lot of players figured out, a good pick in a deep draft, and tonnes if cash to spend on tonnes of talent... I'll take it personally. Getting nash now won't ensure a cup anymore than without him.

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Nash is a good player and I would like for him to be on the Leafs, but I'm afraid of what it would cost. In my opinion the only way it would work for us is for Lupul to be the main piece going the other way and him being valued fairly high. If that is the case though, I think there are a few other teams who would be able to beat our offer. As our team stands right now, just don't see a good fit.

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07-04-2012, 02:15 PM
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I agree. I don't know why people are scared paying elite players like Nash and Parise a lot of $$. We have the money to afford Nash's contract, plus we would shed some players salaries in a trade for him, so what's the fear? What else are we going to use the cap space for?
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I would absolutely LOVE to make a huge splash next summer and sign Getzlaf and Perry but that would require Burke breaking his "no longer than 5 years" stance.

Hopefully the new CBA changes things
Our future, and freedom to spend all the cap space we will have nxt season hinges on the new CBA...or firing Burke (unlikely).

Is there anywhere to review what the owners vs the players want in the new CBA, or has that not been released yet?

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