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Every team has prospects in their system they are high on (and that their fans are high on)
If I was to propose a trade offering Boone Jenner, David Savard, Cody Goloubef and a 1st for a star player on the Rangers, pretty sure Ranger fans would laugh at it just like CBJ fans are with Christian Thomas, JT Miller, and Tim Erixon.
Those CBJ prospects dont stack up with Miller, Erixon and Thomas.
On draft position alone they dont stack up. On AHL production they dont stack up.
Heck, THN has Erixon and Miller 17th and 29th overall in future watch. Savard was 48th, Jenner was 62nd and Goloubef was rated last among the 10 CBJ prospects.
Erixon is the organization's highest ranked defenseman. Miller is the highest ranked forward.
We arne't the Jaguars (Khan said he'd keep the team there, BTW. Fans just have to show up.) Our owner is FROM Columbus, he's seen what the franchise was like in the younger days, it would cost more money to buy out from the lease than to operate the team, and plus Bettman wants to make it work here so he would keep the team here even if Mac wanted to sell.
It's the owners responsibility to put a product on the field/court/pitch/ice that fans will WANT to show up for. You can't properly evaluate the viability of a market when the product sucks.
Those CBJ prospects dont stack up with Miller, Erixon and Thomas.
On draft position alone they dont stack up. On AHL production they dont stack up.
Heck, THN has Erixon and Miller 17th and 29th overall in future watch. Savard was 48th, Jenner was 62nd and Goloubef was rated last among the 10 CBJ prospects.
Erixon is the organization's highest ranked defenseman. Miller is the highest ranked forward.
Both Dreger and Brooks have been largely discredited throughout these Nash threads. They certainly have no more credibility than does Portzline, whose credibility is suspect. But feel free to keep on buying whatever is being sold as sheep fodder instead of sifting through the garbage in search of anything that seems reasonable.
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Pretty sure the awful fans/lack of support/attendance also had some to do with losing the Thrashers...
Awful fans? Get your **** together or just stop posting. Thrashers had some great fans -- just not enough, considering that franchise was run by a bunch of baboons.
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Every team has prospects in their system they are high on (and that their fans are high on)
If I was to propose a trade offering Boone Jenner, David Savard, Cody Goloubef and a 1st for a star player on the Rangers, pretty sure Ranger fans would laugh at it just like CBJ fans are with Christian Thomas, JT Miller, and Tim Erixon.
Is that Star player ridiculously overpaid? And did that star player demand trade? That Star players production been on a decline too over the past 3 years? Did our team finish at the bottom of the barrel, and ultimately need to make some serious ****ing changes?
Do you actually think before you post, or just, start slapping those keys as things come to mind? Put some effort (or more effort) with whatever point you're trying to make because pretty much all of your posts are all over the place. It's embarrassing.
Those CBJ prospects dont stack up with Miller, Erixon and Thomas.
On draft position alone they dont stack up. On AHL production they dont stack up.
Heck, THN has Erixon and Miller 17th and 29th overall in future watch. Savard was 48th, Jenner was 62nd and Goloubef was rated last among the 10 CBJ prospects.
Erixon is the organization's highest ranked defenseman. Miller is the 2nd highest ranked forward.
Erixon is the Rangers highest ranked defenseman. Good for him. Ryan Murray was the top ranked defensive propsect in the world. John Moore is a first rounder who has already played in the NHL.
On top of that, they have Johnson/Wiz/Tyutin signed for the next 6 years.
Hence, he doesn't have value to the Jackets because there won't be any room for him in the top 4 in the next 5 years. Not saying Tim Erixon doesn't have value...but doesn't have value to the Blue Jackets. Big difference. Same issue is there with Del Zotto.
Those rankings don't mean much, especially when you're talking about trading elite, established NHL talent the other way
Is that Star player ridiculously overpaid? And did that star player demand trade? That Star players production been on a decline too over the past 3 years? Did our team finish at the bottom of the barrel, and ultimately need to make some serious ****ing changes?
First Question: Nope
Second: Nope, he requested. Big difference.
Third: The teams have sucked, nobody to play with.
Fourth: Yep
Fifth: Yep
someone give this man a pulitzer for his well spoken comments.
You're actually one of the very few people in here that I find level-headed. Kudos to you . Always like reading your comments since you're basically never bias. Too bad this thread is full of alot of trolls.
Thanks RC. For the record, I love my Blue Jackets as much as anyone else here - 12 year season ticket holder and my seats ain't cheap.
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It looks like Howson is trying to fix his team with one BIG trade.
Cruel11, he certainly gives that appearance. Until this club starts to win consistently, he's not going to be able to do it through free agency (without overpaying someone "a bajillion dollars")
No, he's not. Look at the contract Parise just signed. Nash is better than Parise, but since you all hate him, maybe we can agree they are at least comparable talents. Similar cap hits. It costs a lot to lock up a star forwards long term.
Nash's cap hit is slightly higher, but his contract is better than Parise because you aren't taking that cap hit when he's 37, 38, 39, 40.
Oh gheez, with every move he's improving it for a year now. Let's fire him and hire another Dou MacLean or Mike Milbury.
So "better the devil you know" even when that devil just finished 30 points out of the playoffs and dead last in the league?
But I give you credit for this: This ownership group hired MacLean. They hired Howson. Gawd knows who they'd hire next.
Erixon is the Rangers highest ranked defenseman. Good for him. Ryan Murray was the top ranked defensive propsect in the world. John Moore is a first rounder who has already played in the NHL.
On top of that, they have Johnson/Wiz/Tyutin signed for the next 6 years.
Hence, he doesn't have value to the Jackets because there won't be any room for him in the top 4 in the next 5 years. Not saying Tim Erixon doesn't have value...but doesn't have value to the Blue Jackets. Big difference. Same issue is there with Del Zotto.
Those rankings don't mean much, especially when you're talking about trading elite, established NHL talent the other way
What about Anisimov, Dubinsky, Thomas, Miller, Boyle? I'm not saying as a package but individually what do you think there value is to Columbus? Just curious from the opposite side of the coins perspective.
Yep, because rankings is using logic. Surely it's logical to go out and acquire some second rate defensive and offensive prospects for a star forward, when we already have our own second rate prospects. Good idea, I love your logic.
Pretty sure the awful fans/lack of support/attendance also had some to do with losing the Thrashers...
You have the 4th lowest attendance in the league. Your team finished last and they're about to trade Nash. I doubt you'll improve next season unless you rob a team and get something like Lucic + Seguin for Nash + midpick.
But too be honest, there's a bigger chance that I'll go to sleep as an unemployee and wake up tomorrow as a billionaire.
No, he's not. Look at the contract Parise just signed. Nash is better than Parise, but since you all hate him, maybe we can agree they are at least comparable talents. Similar cap hits. It costs a lot to lock up a star forwards long term.
Nash's cap hit is slightly higher, but his contract is better than Parise because you aren't taking that cap hit when he's 37, 38, 39, 40.
I've never said any of that. Del Zotto is great. The Jackets don't need him now though since they traded for Johnson and drafted Murray and have Moore.
Erixon, Miller and Thomas aren't crap, they aren't anything. They haven't played in the NHL. So you can't say they are elite, I can't say they're going to be awful, what they are unknowns and the CBJ want young roster players who they know can play in the NHL. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
Nice logic. MacKinnon, Huberdeau, Yakupov aren't anything either I guess since they haven't played any NHL games .
Both Dreger and Brooks have been largely discredited throughout these Nash threads. They certainly have no more credibility than does Portzline, whose credibility is suspect. But feel free to keep on buying whatever is being sold as sheep fodder instead of sifting through the garbage in search of anything that seems reasonable.
What's there to sift through?
Portzline, Dreger and Brooks are feeding everybody else in the world with most of the information. Where do you think they get it from? Their dogs?
The truth is that neither Howson or Nash will go public with anything (rightfully so). Their agents and reps, on the other hand, know they aforementioned have a responsibility to provide information.
Those three have the monopoly on the information (for the most part). Right, wrong, or indifferent, if people on a sports message board are going to refute men who have been doing their jobs for decades, they better bring some ammunition.
Libel/defamation lawsuits against Brooks, Portzline and Dreger?
I'm not a fan of Howson by any stretch of the imagination... but he seems to have done real well for himself right now with those 2 going to Minnesota.
The reality is -- the Wild probably weren't going to be in the trade market for any marquee guys, so by both signing with the Wild, none of the teams looking to make a splash via trade are out of the picture, when the expectation that getting Parise/Suter would probably take a team out of the trade market.
Realistically, you've now got Philly, Detroit, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Nashville, and New York all looking to make a big move.... and who's available? Rick Nash, Bobby Ryan, and Roberto Luongo. None of those teams have goaltending issues so Luongo doesn't really factor in. That's 2 guys for 6 teams, and I have to imagine that those in the West are feeling it even more with Suter/Parise going to a non-playoff team.
edit: I guess you can toss the Hurricanes in there, although I don't believe they're serious enough to pay Nash's salary.
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Funnily enough, I am also a fan of the Jaguars and our former owner was very committed to keeping in team in Jacksonville, we have an iron clad lease, and as long as he was alive he would NEVER sell the team.
Yeah, the team was sold last year and that lease is not so iron clad. They are in Jacksonville now, but they'll be gone in 3-5 years guaranteed.
Too far in the bubble. Again, I am not saying it is an immediate worry because there is still a chance for success in the market, but if Columbus doesn't right the ship now it will sink and the team will be gone.
great post. But it seems like most of them are in denial.
Jesus..
someone give this man a pulitzer for his well spoken comments. 
. Always like reading your comments since you're basically never bias. Too bad this thread is full of alot of trolls.
great post. But it seems like most of them are in denial.
