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07-04-2012, 11:03 AM
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People forget how much heart Kessel has coming back from cancer and playing in front of a crazed media market. Phil Kessel has shown to be a very dependable player and is starting to be on the cusp of becoming one of the premiere goal scorers in the entire league.

Kessel should not even be considered in a trade for Getzlaf who has regressed, while Kessel has improved. Sometimes people see that big shiny center on another team and automatically belief that player is an upgrade. Removing Kessel and inserting Getzlaf would not be much of an upgrade at all.

Now, if you are talking about an elite player who has progressed over time like Steven Stamkos, Claude Giroux, or John Tavares then Burke would be smart to listen. For certain players to upgrade the talent the answer would be yes, but for players who have shown regression throughout their career the answer is a simple no.

It would be nice to use other pieces to add with Phil Kessel in the lineup for a two way punch on the first line rather than just another player contributing. Contending teams have multiple players that can contribute at a high level and not just one player. The Leafs should upgrade on center without giving Kessel away for more dynamic scoring throughout the roster.

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07-04-2012, 11:07 AM
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I wouldn't trade Kessel for a #1C, (maybe???) a #1D
Reason - could JVR, and #1C better Phil's + Bozaks points. If your not going for upgrade why trade a guy as great as Kessel.
IMO 1C is maybe 4th on list of desperate needs for Leafs

#1 - 1D A complete player to allow Phaneuf to play his style.
#2 - 1-2 Pk specialists Leafs PK is horrible (McClement is good start!!
#3 - 1G Not sure if Reimer/Scrivens are men for job??
#4 - 1C
#5 - true 2RW power forward...Frattin might be guy??

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07-04-2012, 11:09 AM
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People forget how much heart Kessel has coming back from cancer and playing in front of a crazed media market. Phil Kessel has shown to be a very dependable player and is starting to be on the cusp of becoming one of the premiere goal scorers in the entire league.

Kessel should not even be considered in a trade for Getzlaf who has regressed, while Kessel has improved. Sometimes people see that big shiny center on another team and automatically belief that player is an upgrade. Removing Kessel and inserting Getzlaf would not be much of an upgrade at all.

Now, if you are talking about an elite player who has progressed over time like Steven Stamkos, Claude Giroux, or John Tavares then Burke would be smart to listen. For certain players to upgrade the talent the answer would be yes, but for players who have shown regression throughout their career the answer is a simple no.

It would be nice to use other pieces to add with Phil Kessel in the lineup for a two way punch on the first line rather than just another player contributing. Contending teams have multiple players that can contribute at a high level and not just one player. The Leafs should upgrade on center without giving Kessel away for more dynamic scoring throughout the roster.
this.

Why would we trade our best player?

Burke is supposed to trade FOR other teams' best, not give ours up.

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07-04-2012, 11:13 AM
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Maybe not today. He did take a step back last year after a really nice rookie season. Is there risk there? Sure but he is what we really need. I'm not saying Kessel but Burke should be all over him especially since they only signed him for two years.

It's the same with everything in life. When you need something the price goes way up, when you have to sell the market always seems low. I do think Duschene is one player with speed and creativity that would be a good fit for Kessel. Would make an electric pair.
I don't think Kessel really needs a centreman with creativity since he offers that himself, he isn't a Brett Hull type of winger who does thrive with a guy like that. More along the line of a guy with size who is good at faceoffs and can supply a defensive presence.

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07-04-2012, 11:14 AM
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I would like to see him in Toronto with an elite centre for a year. Some elite centre with Lupul and Kessel would be special. What it would take to get that person I have no idea.

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The most import positions in order on any team is the standard "build from the goalie out, with strength down the middle"

That makes a #1G, #1D and #1C all important building block positions.. Wingers are a dime a dozen and the least important position on a team, and a good center makes his wingers better in the process.

When you can turn a winger into a critical position its a no brainer decision. Its also why you don't see a lot of teams willing to part with #1C or #1G in trades and they don't make it to free agency either very often as all teams build around them and lock them up.

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07-04-2012, 11:21 AM
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On the TSN page they said that Sutter signed in Minny. Parise on the way too? Wonder if they will get rid of anyone now.

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07-04-2012, 11:25 AM
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On the TSN page they said that Sutter signed in Minny. Parise on the way too? Wonder if they will get rid of anyone now.
Them going to the same team is good news for the Leafs. Surely they will need to dump some money.

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07-04-2012, 11:27 AM
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C'mon Minny. Throw us a bone.

ACC. What do you think they will need to get rid of?

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07-04-2012, 11:28 AM
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I wouldn't trade Kessel for a #1C, (maybe???) a #1D
Reason - could JVR, and #1C better Phil's + Bozaks points. If your not going for upgrade why trade a guy as great as Kessel.
IMO 1C is maybe 4th on list of desperate needs for Leafs

#1 - 1D A complete player to allow Phaneuf to play his style.
#2 - 1-2 Pk specialists Leafs PK is horrible (McClement is good start!!
#3 - 1G Not sure if Reimer/Scrivens are men for job??
#4 - 1C
#5 - true 2RW power forward...Frattin might be guy??
its not between jvr + #1 center. the question which would increase the offensive numbers

lupul + bozak + kessel + grabs + jvr + kulemin/mac/kadri/frattin


or

lupul + #1 center + jvr + grabs + 2 of kulemin/mac/kadri/frattin


imo the issue isnt goals. the issue is our goals against. if we can add a center who is exceptional defensively and able to put up ~60-70 points and replace kessel with a winger who can put up ~50-60 points i think we would be a head. the line might produce slightly less offensive numbers but would decrease the amount of goals allowed significantly. its also a lot easier to find a winger then a center imo as demonstrated since burke came to toronto. since he has been here he has brought in kessel, lupul, jvr, mac to play wing. in contrast, to play center he has brought in bozak, connolly, lombardi, steckle, dupuis, mcclement.

if there is an opportunity to get a center with number 1 upside i think it would be foolish not to consider it. if burke could land duchene in a deal around kessel i cant see why he wouldnt do it. its true that kessel has accomplished a lot but he is also older.

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No idea, I know very little about the Wid.

Backstrom?

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Trade Kessel and replace him with Semin. Kessel has no 2 way game and is lazy.
Apparently you didn't watch a single game in 2011/2012?

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No idea, I know very little about the Wid.

Backstrom?
Koivu

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No. Then you need a elite goalscoring winger.

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Joke of a proposition ..fill one hole and make another

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I'd rather trade a combination of one of Kadri, Colburne, and another asset not named Gardiner to find a number 1C rather than trade Kessel.

Don't want to see Burke get fleeced again in another trade (although to be fair at the time of the Kessel trade, I'm sure the plan was NOT to finish with the 2nd worst record in the league and miss out on Sequin - hindsight always makes it look worse).

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Alright, so we traded Kessel for a #1 center. Anyone want to explain where we can get a #1 RW from next?

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No. Kessel is majorly underrated around here. The guy is one of the best wingers in the game. He makes everyone around him so much better and he can do it all himself.

He's an incredibly dynamic player.

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Alright, so we traded Kessel for a #1 center. Anyone want to explain where we can get a #1 RW from next?
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No. Kessel is majorly underrated around here. The guy is one of the best wingers in the game. He makes everyone around him so much better and he can do it all himself.

He's an incredibly dynamic player.
Yes.

All contenders have multiple weapons...Kessel is a good one to have in the arsenal. Leafs have to find a way to add to the team without removing Kessel.

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I'd trade him to Columbus for 2 1st's and a 2nd

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Yes.

All contenders have multiple weapons...Kessel is a good one to have in the arsenal. Leafs have to find a way to add to the team without removing Kessel.
We have some forwards that can score and some d-men that can create offence. We just need a really good centre and a good goalie. In time it will come.

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07-04-2012, 01:55 PM
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Absolutely not!

Why would you trade away our leading scorer to upgrade at position which is supposed to help increase Kessel's numbers. With a true #1 C, Kessel can easily come close, if not go past the 40G mark for a single season.

Case closed!

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Yea that'd be great idea... then we can try to trade for someone like Kessel to play with our new centre.

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Apparently you didn't watch a single game in 2011/2012?
What he said...Kessel lazy? I don't think so!

His game has changed for the better since he arrived in Toronto. He is more responsible on both ends of the ice now than he ever was in Boston.

Now...with Nash still being out there...imagine the first line of Kessel - Kadri/Colborne - Nash...yeah we still need that true #1 C...

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