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07-08-2012, 12:09 PM
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People have such short memories.
Indeed. All one needs is a quick look at his past split stats:

2005/2006 -
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...006&gameType=2

2006/2007 -
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...007&gameType=2

2007/2008 -
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...008&gameType=2

2008/2009 -
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...009&gameType=2

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1st PP, 1st PK, 24-25 min/game.

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Is their a difference? He was not here!!!
****ing cur, you obviously have no clue how much work it takes to rehab a busted knee. Even if he wasn't here doesn't mean he didn't do rehab with the docs he visited.

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07-08-2012, 12:11 PM
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Our powerplay was kind of pathetic last year. Subban isn't much of a PP quarterback, he's more of a shooter or puck carrier. Markov has the ability to control the pace of the game like no others while Subban plays an ''up-tempo'' game that isn't really suited to the powerplay most of the time.

On the powerplay Markov slows down the play then BANG, pass to the guy with the laser shot if theres even a small opening there (Markov WILL see it). If not, its pass to a forward if ever Markov sees he could get a good shot off with other players being able to take rebounds. If the other team know Markov isn't a shooter and cover every other players too much, then its Markov himself that goes to the net on the left side and snipe it like a boss.

He's an utterly amazing player on offense and the only reason he doesn't have bigger career numbers is that he's actually a defense first player! Go and watch some Andrei Markov plays on youtube and tell me you're not excited that he's finally back.



Markov has shut down elite opposition his whole career...
Myth. He was never good at it. Hamrlik was steadier defensively in his tenure than Markov.

Markov is an/was an elite offensive defenseman and PP quarterback but an average-to-good 5on5 defender. Subban is an elite 5 on 5 two way defender.

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07-08-2012, 12:12 PM
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Andrei Markov is the reason idiot Komisarek got that fat contract from Toronto. I haven't seen PK reach that level, although PK is very, very good on defense. But Subban is nowhere near Markov's in his ability to run a power play and "control" the game as well as Markov can.

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07-08-2012, 12:13 PM
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Don't try to prove that a healthy Markov is a top 10 dman in the league, some trolls with 20 posts will point your mistakes

Seriously, some people need to get their heads out of their *****...

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07-08-2012, 12:14 PM
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WTF does QBing a PP have to do with anything?
Being a #1 defenseman.

Subban is not one yet.

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07-08-2012, 12:17 PM
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Markov was sitting on a couch rather than playing. For shame.

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07-08-2012, 12:17 PM
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So who are these two assets you have in mind?
I don't have any names in mind. My point is we have many good prospects, but we don't know if they will make it and if they will reach their potential. Therefore, I wouldn't have any problem with trading two prospects with unknown future for a young proven player who will be able to join our core. I wouldn't go all out, but if the price is fair, I'd go for it for sure. I have to speculate about trades because that's one part of the game we don't have a clue about.

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07-08-2012, 12:19 PM
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Anyone who does not have the mental capacity to understand that Markov suffered 2 freak knee injuries and finally went through a successful surgery last year, should not have the ability to start threads.

2 knee injuries or not, he's our best player and people will learn that fairly quickly 20 games in.

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07-08-2012, 12:21 PM
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Myth. He was never good at it. Hamrlik was steadier defensively in his tenure than Markov.

Markov is an/was an elite offensive defenseman and PP quarterback but an average-to-good 5on5 defender. Subban is an elite 5 on 5 two way defender.
Markov had the best positioning on this team and best stick work. He almost made the smartest decisions in his zone, whether he had the puck or not.

MILES ahead of Subban as of now. Both defensively and offensively.

Very frustrating to see how quickly people forget about the best player we've had on this team since the early 2000s.

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07-08-2012, 12:22 PM
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Anyone who does not have the mental capacity to understand that Markov suffered 2 freak knee injuries and finally went through a successful surgery last year, should not have the ability to start threads.

2 knee injuries or not, he's our best player and people will learn that fairly quickly 20 games in.
He already screwed up our tank job admirably. Imagine if we outdid Edmonton.

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07-08-2012, 12:23 PM
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Anyone who does not have the mental capacity to understand that Markov suffered 2 freak knee injuries and finally went through a successful surgery last year, should not have the ability to start threads.

2 knee injuries or not, he's our best player and people will learn that fairly quickly 20 games in.
Yeah this year, we'll have the luxury of having Markov from the get go. The rust will go away as fast as the others.

And for the information of some posters, Justin Williams has two surgery on the same knee and he's doing just fine now...

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07-08-2012, 12:24 PM
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Markov had the best positioning on this team and best stick work. He almost made the smartest decisions in his zone, whether he had the puck or not.

MILES ahead of Subban as of now. Both defensively and offensively.

Very frustrating to see how quickly people forget about the best player we've had on this team since the early 2000s.
Markov is so over rated by this fanbase its absolutely insane. People can't distinguish offense from defense.

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07-08-2012, 12:25 PM
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Markov had the best positioning on this team and best stick work. He almost made the smartest decisions in his zone, whether he had the puck or not.

MILES ahead of Subban as of now. Both defensively and offensively.

Very frustrating to see how quickly people forget about the best player we've had on this team since the early 2000s.
HAD.

You can live in the past all you want. Subban, right now is the #1 guy. Markov can regain that spot but RIGHT NOW, PK is ahead of him.

PK also has the potential to be better than Markov ever was.

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Myth. He was never good at it. Hamrlik was steadier defensively in his tenure than Markov.

Markov is an/was an elite offensive defenseman and PP quarterback but an average-to-good 5on5 defender. Subban is an elite 5 on 5 two way defender.
And yet Markov was always on the first PK squad

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HAD.

You can live in the past all you want. Subban, right now is the #1 guy. Markov can regain that spot but RIGHT NOW, PK is ahead of him.

PK also has the potential to be better than Markov ever was.
Well you seem to be living in the future.

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07-08-2012, 12:26 PM
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Markov had the best positioning on this team and best stick work. He almost made the smartest decisions in his zone, whether he had the puck or not.

MILES ahead of Subban as of now. Both defensively and offensively.

Very frustrating to see how quickly people forget about the best player we've had on this team since the early 2000s.
Don't worry, some people don't understand that you don't need to be physical to be good defensively. Positional play is the most important thing for any D. If you can add a physical dimension to it, great, if not, you can still be great at it.

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07-08-2012, 12:27 PM
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And yet Markov was always on the first PK squad
Our PK is #1 with Subban on it.

Where was it with Markov? Oh right! Average!

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HAD.

You can live in the past all you want. Subban, right now is the #1 guy. Markov can regain that spot but RIGHT NOW, PK is ahead of him.

PK also has the potential to be better than Markov ever was.
When Subban no longer has his yearly December ride in the press box and excessive twirling tendencies during breakouts, maybe then he'll be good enough to be deemed a #1. But right now, no. He's very, very good, but a #1 he is not.

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When Subban no longer has his yearly December ride in the press box and excessive twirling tendencies during breakouts, maybe then he'll be good enough to be deemed a #1. But right now, no. He's very, very good, but a #1 he is not.
When Markov plays more than 13 games in a season, he can be deemed #1..

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When Markov plays more than 13 games in a season, he can be deemed #1..
Oh, don't worry, I think his luck is about to change.

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When Markov plays more than 13 games in a season, he can be deemed #1..
Powerful argumentation.

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Don't worry, some people don't understand that you don't need to be physical to be good defensively. Positional play is the most important thing for any D. If you can add a physical dimension to it, great, if not, you can still be great at it.
And some people think specializing as a PP QB makes you the team's best D-man.

If you don't think physicality is an element to defensive play, you're so far gone there's no point even continuing this conversation. Markov was a great offensive dman who was good in his own end. That somehow has catapulted him to being Lidstrom defensively. Markie has an active stick and is very smart, but he can't clear the net, he doesn't bring that physical edge (I know Hab fans have been so damaged over the years that they think physicality is a 4 letter word), and he's on the softer side.

Markov used to be a top 5-10 dman. He has been out of the game for 3 years...You can't just pop him into that spot. He has to earn it now.

Oh. PK's play in the playoffs > Markov's

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When Markov plays more than 13 games in a season, he can be deemed #1..
Well he should regain his #1 status quite fast then...

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Our PK is #1 with Subban on it.

Where was it with Markov? Oh right! Average!
Hal Gill and Gorges have been pretty great on the first PK squad indeed

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We got a bunch of fourth liners, Armstrong 1 year and Bouillon 1 year.

I love all those guys, but short terms fourth liners and 7th defencemens is not an indication of a team that doesn't want to rebuild.
These are all actually signs of a rebuild. Every single one of those players SCREAMS trade deadline rental. If we don't do as well as hoped, we basically can get 3-4 mid round draft picks for them for free as they were UFA and didn't cost us anything.

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