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07-05-2012, 10:48 AM
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Yeah and that great 2nd line really worked out for us before, didn't it?

Like I said earlier... Sideways move. Our 2nd line is no better.

Re-****ing-Sign Sasha.
Yes, a decrease in goal scoring potential, and an increase in assist potential was added.

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What exactly have we had the last 5 years? Semin + 2 hole fillers. Now it's Ribeiro and +2 hole fillers.
I'd rather have a wing who can "do it himself" for like 1-3 shifts a game than a soft, playmaking center.

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My "okay, I'll stop *****ing" moves...

1. Trade for Ryan.
2. Sign Semin.
3. Sign AK74.
4. Sign Mueller.
5. Sign Wolski.


Seriously, one more top six player and I'll stop.
I rather they overpay for Doan and Semin than trade what it would take to get Ryan. Send Schultz to the glue factory to make space. On paper that lineup is good enough to come out of the east and all the prospects are still there.

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07-05-2012, 10:52 AM
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People on here really don't understand the concept of getting stronger down the middle and what that does for a team, do they?

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07-05-2012, 10:53 AM
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I rather they overpay for Doan and Semin than trade what it would take to get Ryan. Send Schultz to the glue factory to make space. On paper that lineup is good enough to come out of the east and all the prospects are still there.
If we do overpay for Doan, I'd want at MOST two seasons.

IR Trade: Am I the only one who is perfectly fine dealing Kuznetsov for whatever the **** we can get?

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Make all other problems magically go away

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People on here really don't understand the concept of getting stronger down the middle and what that does for a team, do they?
Nope. Its annoying. But I have most of them on ignore at this point so I only see it when others quote them, which is still annoying.

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If we do overpay for Doan, I'd want at MOST two seasons.

IR Trade: Am I the only one who is perfectly fine dealing Kuznetsov for whatever the **** we can get?
Nope. I'd dump Kuz the first chance I get.

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If we do overpay for Doan, I'd want at MOST two seasons.

IR Trade: Am I the only one who is perfectly fine dealing Kuznetsov for whatever the **** we can get?
Why? We can deal with it later. 4 million when he's 39/40 sucks but is nowhere as crippling as losing Forsberg or the like in a deal for Ryan (or Laich and a 2013 1st rounder ). He should be dynamite in the next 2 years and still at least a 3 million dollar player at 38. Even after that he could probably be good enough for 20-20 in a Knubleish role. There really isn't a significant downside at giving him a 5 year deal unless the cap hit is insane.

5 x 4.25/4.5 max with the first 2 years frontloaded is what I'd offer.

Heck, if it's frontloaded we can trade him to a budget team then.

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People on here really don't understand the concept of getting stronger down the middle and what that does for a team, do they?
He's signed for 1 year. Then what? MoJo as the 2C. MoJo is never going to be at his level, sorry.

Also, people see this as a lateral move overall. We don't have confidence in winning the cup with this lineup. That is the goal, winning the cup.

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People on here really don't understand the concept of getting stronger down the middle and what that does for a team, do they?
Sure but it's not like Ribeiro is a face-off beast or a guy that's going to really free up Backstrom to more exclusively get offensive zone starts. He'll help the power play and his creativity will be entertaining but Ribeiro alone doesn't fundamentally make them a harder team to match up against. Not until there's a capable goal scorer running shotgun with him.

Edit: Maybe they could put Ribeiro with Ovechkin and see what Backstrom can do largely on his own instead but I don't think that combo works defensively. I have some hope that better skill development and coaching will make them a crisper executing offense but it's asking a lot to pin a better approach alone as being a huge difference maker.


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People on here really don't understand the concept of getting stronger down the middle and what that does for a team, do they?
Not when your asking that center to carry a line when his game isn't built that way.

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Not when your asking that center to carry a line when his game isn't built that way.
I agree, it is ridiculous what they are asking Rib to be. He's not Malkin, who can carry 2 average grinders to glory.

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People on here really don't understand the concept of getting stronger down the middle and what that does for a team, do they?
Sure we do. I'm ecstatic that we got Ribeiro.

But it's a bone head move not to re-sign Semin at this point.

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Sure but it's not like Ribeiro is a face-off beast or a guy that's going to really free up Backstrom to more exclusively get offensive zone starts. He'll help the power play and his creativity will be entertaining but Ribeiro alone doesn't fundamentally make them a harder team to match up against. Not until there's a capable goal scorer running shotgun with him.
No haven't you heard?!?! He's going to turn Laich and Brouwer into 30-40 goal scorers now. Half of the people here believe it too!

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07-05-2012, 11:01 AM
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Sure we do. I'm ecstatic that we got Ribeiro.

But it's a bone head move not to re-sign Semin at this point.
He'll always disagree with what you say. He actually believes that Ribero is some kind of magic center who will make Laich score 30.

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Sure but it's not like Ribeiro is a face-off beast or a guy that's going to really free up Backstrom to more exclusively get offensive zone starts. He'll help the power play and his creativity will be entertaining but Ribeiro alone doesn't fundamentally make them a harder team to match up against. Not until there's a capable goal scorer running shotgun with him.
The wingers Ribeiro will have are better than the center(s) Semin had.

I'd much rather the most capable offensive force on a line be the center than a winger, especially that winger.

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the 2nd line is better right now than it was all of last season. Could it stand to improve? Sure. But thinking it's nothing but a lateral move is a bit bonkers to me.

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Honestly what's to lose if we sign Semin?

We have the money, and we have his 2C.

If it doesn't work out trade him for a ****ing pick.

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07-05-2012, 11:03 AM
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The wingers Ribeiro will have are better than the center(s) Semin had.

I'd much rather the most capable offensive force on a line be the center than a winger, especially that winger.

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the 2nd line is better right now than it was all of last season. Could it stand to improve? Sure. But thinking it's nothing but a lateral move is a bit bonkers to me.
Ribero's points are mostly assists. Who are going to score those goals to make his point totals rise? He played with decent offensive talents in Dallas, not with Laich or Brower types.

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Clearly no one hear understands the game of hockey better than the guy who says a 23 year old goalie has hit their ceiling.

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So, how many teams have 30-40 goal wingers on their second line?

And Brooks 'average grinder' Laich scored 25 goals in a season with who, exactly, centering him?

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If we sign him for 5x35 and he puts up another 50 point season we're not trading him anywhere.

Also, no one wants Semin.

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Clearly no one hear understands the game of hockey better than the guy who says a 23 year old goalie has hit their ceiling.
If the fans are this complacent and happy with what they've just gotten, no wonder the management feels no pressure to do anything else.

This is not a cup winning lineup. Either fix it now, or at the deadline. You will, however, not win a cup with this lineup.

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If we sign him for 5x35 and he puts up another 50 point season we're not trading him anywhere.

Also, no one wants Semin.
Yes they do. What as stupid stupid remark, are you trying to be funny?

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But the center that Ribeiro is is worse than the winger Semin is. Semin can set people up and finish at a high level, Ribeiro can just set people up at a high level.

Laich-Ribeiro-Brouwer. Just oozes finish right there

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