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07-05-2012, 12:25 PM
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How many goals did we score as a team in the entire playoffs?

6? 7?
He was playing with an elite center against secondary defense. One of the reasons we scored so few goals in the postseason is Semin.

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So, how many teams have 30-40 goal wingers on their second line?

And Brooks 'average grinder' Laich scored 25 goals in a season with who, exactly, centering him?
Laich lived on PP goals. Take those away and you get a guy who has averaged 12.5 ES goals the last 5 seasons. Chimera has averaged 14 ES goals his last 6 full seasons and will cost almost $3M less the next 2 years. Just because Laich is the best option of currently rostered players for 2LW doesn't mean he's a good fit there. He'd be a good 3LW at about $2M less per season but the Caps already have that player in Chimera.

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I love how selective the memories of the SDF are. 14 games is the only sample size we EVER saw with Semin and Backstrom. What a hoot. 5 years of practices and game time and Semin showed next to no chemistry with Backstrom EVER. Face it, Semin is a guy who can and does produce mostly on his own, regardless of his linemates.

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07-05-2012, 12:26 PM
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It's almost as if I'm looking at reality.
Ha, there is no one reality when you are dealing with future possibilities. Come back next time with a better response.

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Youre the one with the ****ing blinders on.
He's the one denying that having Semin on Ribeiro's wing would give us a better hockey team than having Laich and Brouwer there?

I'd think the people who have completely discounted him as a hockey player because blaming all failures of the team on him makes things easier to process are the ones with the blinders.

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07-05-2012, 12:28 PM
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The Semin haters on here are ridiculous. Watch them eat their words when Semin is flying down the ice on Sid's wing, putting the puck between the legs of a hapless Hotby.

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I love how selective the memories of the SDF are. 14 games is the only sample size we EVER saw with Semin and Backstrom. What a hoot. 5 years of practices and game time and Semin showed next to no chemistry with Backstrom EVER. Face it, Semin is a guy who can and does produce mostly on his own, regardless of his linemates.
Or some people have chemistry with some players and don't have chemistry with other players...

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Laich lived on PP goals. Take those away and you get a guy who has averaged 12.5 ES goals the last 5 seasons. Chimera has averaged 14 ES goals his last 6 full seasons and will cost almost $3M less the next 2 years. Just because Laich is the best option of currently rostered players for 2LW doesn't mean he's a good fit there. He'd be a good 3LW at about $2M less per season but the Caps already have that player in Chimera.
It's almost as if you're looking at reality.

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I love how selective the memories of the SDF are. 14 games is the only sample size we EVER saw with Semin and Backstrom. What a hoot. 5 years of practices and game time and Semin showed next to no chemistry with Backstrom EVER. Face it, Semin is a guy who can and does produce mostly on his own, regardless of his linemates.
We traded for Mike Ribeiro not too long ago.

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Youre the one with the ****ing blinders on.
Is our lineup better right now with or without Semin? Be honest.

The "SDF" isn't about "defending Semin" it's about knowing we have a much better roster if we have Semin with a ****ing 2C.

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07-05-2012, 12:38 PM
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The Semin haters on here are ridiculous. Watch them eat their words when Semin is flying down the ice on Sid's wing, putting the puck between the legs of a hapless Hotby.
Eat words? I've already said I expect Semin to go somewhere and put up his points. In fact I don't think anyone expects Semin to go elsewhere and fail miserably.

It's simply time to move on and go in a different direction instead of failing over and over again with a guy who doesn't seem to fit the longterm core plans of the team.

Semin wants a big/longterm deal. Caps have thankfully passed on that boat anchor...

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The question isn't whether the Capitals are better with Semin and his 40 goals or with nothing (making due with current personnel). The question is whether the Caps would be better off with Semin and his 40 goals, or by migrating to someone else to play those minutes and produce with those minutes (probably at fewer goals and points). Replace the production while changing the team culture.

Would it be wise to let him go and stand pat? Not in the short term, to me. Could it be helpful to add someone else, even a player whose likely production falls short of 40 goals? Maybe so. There are a lot of ways to get there, and several tiers at which you can look (elite, mediocre, role player) and various costs to pay (free agency, trade, etc.)

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's purely a case of addition by subtraction. Most who would like to see the team move on want the Caps to move on to someone else at the wing.

I do agree that letting him go, and entering the season without another winger would be an avoidable mistake. I think it's still early in the offseason, though. That player is still out there.

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Is our lineup better right now with or without Semin? Be honest.
To play against? Without.

I think its better with an actual point producing 2nd line center as compared to an enigmatic winger that disappears when it counts. Its about team building to me. Will they have fewer goals from the 2nd line RW now? Sure. But will the team be better overall...I think they will be.

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The question isn't whether the Capitals are better with Semin and his 40 goals or with nothing (making due with current personnel). The question is whether the Caps would be better off with Semin and his 40 goals, or by migrating to someone else to play those minutes and produce with those minutes (probably at fewer goals and points). Replace the production while changing the team culture.

Would it be wise to let him go and stand pat? Not in the short term, to me. Could it be helpful to add someone else, even a player whose likely production falls short of 40 goals? Maybe so. There are a lot of ways to get there, and several tiers at which you can look (elite, mediocre, role player) and various costs to pay (free agency, trade, etc.)

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's purely a case of addition by subtraction. Most who would like to see the team move on want the Caps to move on to someone else at the wing.

I do agree that letting him go, and entering the season without another winger would be an avoidable mistake. I think it's still early in the offseason, though.
Why do we have to replace his production...?
Ribeiro adds to his production, and ups it...

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To play against? Without.

I think its better with an actual point producing 2nd line center as compared to an enigmatic winger that disappears when it counts. Its about team building to me. Will they have fewer goals from the 2nd line RW now? Sure. But will the team be better overall...I think they will be.
How do you know Ribeiro will produce with Brouwer and Laich?

Last year he played with Eriksson and Ryder... Two completely different players than the grinders that will be with Ribs next year.

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Why do we have to replace his production...?
Ribeiro adds to his production, and ups it...
You're being facetious, but yes, to a large degree Ribeiro is going to rack up a good number of Semin's erstwhile points.

It's still a team that is a top-six winger shy of a complete roster. That addition doesn't need to be an All-Star player, necessarily. A $2.5M winger capable of 45-55 points would be sufficient. Might they look at a better option than that? Hard to say. Such player are out there, but only on trade markets. Lesser players are still available in free agency.

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Is our lineup better right now with or without Semin? Be honest.

The "SDF" isn't about "defending Semin" it's about knowing we have a much better roster if we have Semin with a ****ing 2C.
There's a big difference in "better team" and "more talented roster". Just ask the Eagles from last season.


As Drake said, this is about changing the culture of the team. It's early July and the SDF is panicing that the Caps won't replace that Semin production. If they don't it's once again on McPhee. Arrogance wins Cups!

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For the love of god Mcphee can you please sign someone so we can stop having this never ending loop about Semin stop?

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How do you know Ribeiro will produce with Brouwer and Laich?
We don't.

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with changing the culture u mean back from hunterhockey to rngun ? if yes its another pro to sign semin

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It's still a team that is a top-six winger shy of a complete roster. That addition doesn't need to be an All-Star player, necessarily. A $2.5M winger capable of 45-55 points would be sufficient. Might they look at a better option? Hard to say.
That's exactly what I think.
... But who is that? Trading for one opens up more holes.

Semin is right there, for free, and we have the money to sign him.

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To play against? Without.

I think its better with an actual point producing 2nd line center as compared to an enigmatic winger that disappears when it counts. Its about team building to me. Will they have fewer goals from the 2nd line RW now? Sure. But will the team be better overall...I think they will be.
You answered half his question. Not surprising which half you took a swing at, but let's take a look at the whole picture.

Semin isn't bad defensively, is a good/very good PKer, and can be an elite scorer. Assuming the rest of the roster stays the same, do you think his flaws are bad enough that the Caps would be a better team without him on it?

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Semin is right there, for free, and we have the money to sign him.
Blinders.

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There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the 2nd line is better right now than it was all of last season. Could it stand to improve? Sure. But thinking it's nothing but a lateral move is a bit bonkers to me.
It depends on if the forwards are capable of being better away from the puck and executing with better overall offensive structure. Having a center in Ribeiro can be somewhat wasted if there isn't the necessary chemistry and hockey IQ established. It's that aspect that makes it difficult to evaluate on paper, esp. given coaching turnover.

I have hope that Oates will be able to bring the sort of attention to detail to make the forward lines click but I don't expect him to be a miracle worker. Given that teams are largely locked in from the start of the season until the deadline they owe it to Oates to have more options through the first ~60 games.
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How many teams have 30-40 goal scoters on the second line?
Just in the East: Boston, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Y'know, contenders. That list could very well increase if Semin remains in the East and Nash/Ryan also come East. If they want to hang with the big boys to go deep they need another weapon or else they'll once again largely have to rely on defensive consistency making a difference. It doesn't necessarily have to be a 40-goal guy...a reliable upper 20's to mid 30's will do.

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That's exactly what I think.
... But who is that? Trading for one opens up more holes.

Semin is right there, for free, and we have the money to sign him.
I think the money is a lot tighter than you suggest, to be honest. I don't think they signed Ribeiro with the idea that there was still room for Semin's salary. That dude is going to make bank, and what is more worrisome, he's going to get a major commitment out of whoever does so. I suspect he's not settling for less than $7M/yr and five plus years. I think they only took on the Ribeiro salary because they knew the Semin salary would not be on the books.

It's free to add a free agent, but it's $7M on the books. Make a trade, and you get a cheaper player, and send salary back the other way.

McPhee likes his teams to have room at the deadline. Last year didn't seem to sit right with him. Even assuming a free hand from Leonsis, I doubt McPhee emulates that model. I think he's going to leave cap room for deadline additions.

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