Can someone explain the reported signing bonuses in suters contract? Usa today listed his first 3 years at 12,12, and 11 but then said he was getting a 10 mil signing bonus each of the first 2 years and 5 mil the third. Does that mean he gets 10 mil up front and only 2 mil parceled out through the year? Because it cant be 10 million over and above the 12 mil, can it?
Can someone explain the reported signing bonuses in suters contract? Usa today listed his first 3 years at 12,12, and 11 but then said he was getting a 10 mil signing bonus each of the first 2 years and 5 mil the third. Does that mean he gets 10 mil up front and only 2 mil parceled out through the year? Because it cant be 10 million over and above the 12 mil, can it?
10 mil up front, 2 mil across the 180-190 days of the regular season for a total of 12 mil. Something like 34 million across the first three years with 25 million of that in the form of signing bonuses.
To me the more important bit is, how long ago was he planning this?
Poile thought the Preds were still in contention until the morning of the 4th when he got the call. Suter claims he made his final decision that morning. Either their statements are correct and the final push from Minnesota with the huge money, wife's home town, playing with Parise, and getting to be the clear #1 d-man convinced him that night/morning or he knew last whenever that he'd go to Minny and played people who know him this entire time without letting it slip. Either way, he signed elsewhere ... it happens every year to somebody across the league ... time to fill the hole in the roster and build a club to compete this season.
Suter is denying that he ever told Poile that he was planning with certainty to sign with Nashville. Has no recollection of the quote Poile attributes to him from November.
He can deny it but if I knew in November that they had agreed on money and term, then I'm betting Suter has selective memory.
Yeah, time to move on and support the players who do want to play here. I have just lost a ton of respect for a player that was a favorite of mine, though. Sad...
Poile thought the Preds were still in contention until the morning of the 4th when he got the call. Suter claims he made his final decision that morning. Either their statements are correct and the final push from Minnesota with the huge money, wife's home town, playing with Parise, and getting to be the clear #1 d-man convinced him that night/morning or he knew last whenever that he'd go to Minny and played people who know him this entire time without letting it slip. Either way, he signed elsewhere ... it happens every year to somebody across the league ... time to fill the hole in the roster and build a club to compete this season.
Poile thought the Preds were still in contention until the morning of the 4th when he got the call. Suter claims he made his final decision that morning. Either their statements are correct and the final push from Minnesota with the huge money, wife's home town, playing with Parise, and getting to be the clear #1 d-man convinced him that night/morning or he knew last whenever that he'd go to Minny and played people who know him this entire time without letting it slip. Either way, he signed elsewhere ... it happens every year to somebody across the league ... time to fill the hole in the roster and build a club to compete this season.
Yep. Continue to play good hockey and continue to compete. That's all we can try to do at this point.
I would love for someone in Bridgestone behind the visitors penalty box or visitors bench to hang a big sign over his head that says "I Have No Integrity" and maybe another one right beside it saying "I am a Liar".
The good news is, Liarpold has failed in every business he has tried to run, he'll fail again...
That's funny after Suter signed I saw somebody make a thread on the main NHL talk board showing an article from April where Liepold was complaining about expenses. Now he adds nearly 200 million in salary over 13 years for 2 players? As soon as I read that i thought to myself I would put money within 5 years one of if not both of Suter or/and Parise will be gone from Minnesota.
My apologies if this has already been discussed, but...how is Minnesota not getting hammered for circumventing the salary cap with these deals? NJD did with that Kovalchuk deal; even though what NJD did with Kovy was more obnoxious, what Minnesota has done is essentially the same. Especially when you consider the fact that if you were to cut off the last four trash years of Suter and Parise's contracts where they only get paid $1M, the new cap hit would put the Wild above the cap.
How is this not cap circumvention and how is it not being punished by the NHL? I'm not saying nullify the contracts, but at least penalize the teams involved and chop off the last few BS years.
My apologies if this has already been discussed, but...how is Minnesota not getting hammered for circumventing the salary cap with these deals? NJD did with that Kovalchuk deal; even though what NJD did with Kovy was more obnoxious, what Minnesota has done is essentially the same. Especially when you consider the fact that if you were to cut off the last four trash years of Suter and Parise's contracts where they only get paid $1M, the new cap hit would put the Wild above the cap.
How is this not cap circumvention and how is it not being punished by the NHL? I'm not saying nullify the contracts, but at least penalize the teams involved and chop off the last few BS years.
You essentially just summed up the biggest problem with the CBA. GMs have figured out how to push the limits of circumvention without breaking the rules. Kovy set the precedent. As long as you don't go as far as that you are probably safe.
Let somebody throw $34million at you over the next three years, let you play alongside a good friend, and bring you to where your wife is from and see how many people here don't jump at that. This is a BUSINESS. Poile made a very competitive offer and got beaten out last night by the Wild. Guess what ..... IT HAPPENS. Look through every team's history and you'll find free agents leaving for nothing in return. This year the big hits were to us and New Jersey ... last season Dallas with Richards ... it might happen next week to Phoenix ... Minnesota experienced it .... Detroit lost Hossa via free agency within the division. Losing Suter sucks, but it's part of what happens across this league every single season. The only way to avoid it is to accept that a player might not sign and trade them early in the hope that maybe possibly we get something back. Of course then you're constantly in rebuild mode rather than icing the best team possible for that one season.
Welcome to the big time boys and girls.
Thank you for bringing some sanity to this thread ! There are a bunch of " Drama Queens" over here on this board as there is over on the Flyers board at times......When Ritchie and Carter were dealt some of em had a breakdown ! LOL.......Hang in there folks ! Its Pro hockey and things go in cycles as do the seasons change etc...
We arent mad he went to Minnesota. We're mad he sad "I want to play in Nashville", then went to Minnesota.
If he had been saying all along "I'm just not sure, I want to survey my options.", then told Poile, say, at the deadline "I'm out", I'd have no problem with it at all. That's his right. I'm just not a fan of how he handled it.
Thank you for bringing some sanity to this thread ! There are a bunch of " Drama Queens" over here on this board as there is over on the Flyers board at times......When Ritchie and Carter were dealt some of em had a breakdown ! LOL.......Hang in there folks ! Its Pro hockey and things go in cycles as do the seasons change etc...
Completely different situations. Your guys obviously wanted to stay. Your team hasn't had much of a problem with drawing free agents, or re-signing its own stars. In Nashville we saw a firesale in 2007, Hamhuis left in 2010, and now Suter has walked which all but puts down a red carpet for Weber leading from here to where ever it is he is dealt. On top of that, Philly got a pretty damn good return for both of those players. We got nothing for Suter except for a bad taste in our mouths after being dragged through the crap that was his pandering to maintain his "good guy" image for as long as he possibly could.
Also, please don't call posters on this board "Drama queens". It isn't exactly polite, ya know.
A lot of you are suggesting that Suter lied to Poile all year or, at least, was dishonest. I don't see it that way. I imagine that he was honest about wanting to return to Nashville. Take a look at the report today from Weber's agent that Shea is shocked that Suter left. Would Ryan lie to one of this friends, too? No. I'm sure that he was honest at the time and things changed dramatically just recently.
What I think happened is that Parise sold him this week on the idea of playing with him in Minnesota. Zach is a charismatic guy and is probably pretty persuasive. There's a reason why he was the captain of the Devils. I think that Suter was leaning toward Nashville, but Parise did a great sell job and changed Ryan's mind this last week. That doesn't suddenly mean that Ryan was dishonest all year.
Suter is gone and it's easier for to cope by attacking the player's character, but I don't think that it's deserved. Ryan was a great guy and teammate for his whole tenure here. Leaving doesn't suddenly make him a bad guy. Doesn't being so quick to turn on him make you guilty of the same thing that you're accusing him of doing to the Preds? He's still the same good guy who was loved in Nashville and he shouldn't be villainized just so that you can feel better and move on. After all, consider that if you're so quick to turn on players and take swipes at their character if they leave, why should they have much loyalty to you in the first place? It's a bit of a "chicken or the egg" thing, but if I were a player, I'd be less inclined to show loyalty to a fanbase that I knew would turn on me if I didn't. Anyways, I think that Ryan deserves better, at least the benefit of the doubt.
A lot of you are suggesting that Suter lied to Poile all year or, at least, was dishonest. I don't see it that way. I imagine that he was honest about wanting to return to Nashville. Take a look at the report today from Weber's agent that Shea is shocked that Suter left. Would Ryan lie to one of this friends, too? No. I'm sure that he was honest at the time and things changed dramatically just recently.
What I think happened is that Parise sold him this week on the idea of playing with him in Minnesota. Zach is a charismatic guy and is probably pretty persuasive. There's a reason why he was the captain of the Devils. I think that Suter was leaning toward Nashville, but Parise did a great sell job and changed Ryan's mind this last week. That doesn't suddenly mean that Ryan was dishonest all year.
Suter is gone and it's easier for some to cope by trashing the player's character, but I don't think that it's deserved. Ryan was a great guy and teammate for his whole tenure here. Leaving doesn't suddenly make him a bad guy. Being so quick to turn on him makes you guilty of the same thing that you're accusing him of doing to the Preds. He's still the same good guy who was loved in Nashville and he shouldn't be villainized just so that you can feel better and move on. Calling him a "liar" and whatnot likely suggests that you weren't really deserving of any loyalty in the first place. After all, should he have re-signed just to placate the fans who would raise a stink and trash his character if he didn't? That behavior doesn't exactly inspire loyalty. Anyways, before you do take swipes at his character, consider everything that he did for the organization and whether your swipes are really deserved or whether you're just tearing him down to make yourself feel better.
Perception is reality and it is perceived by many that he lied/misled/left out all the facts/whatever.
If Parise did sway him in this past week hold a presser and tell us how it went down so you're not dragged through the mud.
Or just take the money and run.
edit: If all he did was leave then, yes, it wouldn't be this bad but the way he left is what did it.
We can't call him for what he is and that means we don't deserve loyalty? So, us calling Leipold a liar after what he did is wrong too?
didn't Parise actually say that Suter persuaded him to sign? It was either last night or this morning.
Loving all of these new posters on our boards, guys with several thousand posts, but have never been seen around our board before... suddenly showing up with all kinds of great advice for us. Thanks!
My apologies if this has already been discussed, but...how is Minnesota not getting hammered for circumventing the salary cap with these deals? NJD did with that Kovalchuk deal; even though what NJD did with Kovy was more obnoxious, what Minnesota has done is essentially the same. Especially when you consider the fact that if you were to cut off the last four trash years of Suter and Parise's contracts where they only get paid $1M, the new cap hit would put the Wild above the cap.
How is this not cap circumvention and how is it not being punished by the NHL? I'm not saying nullify the contracts, but at least penalize the teams involved and chop off the last few BS years.
It's not cap circumvention because, after the initial Kovalchuk contract, the NHL and NHLPA agreed to new rules to address it. Keep in mind that the reason why that initial contract was considered cap circumvention is that it went well past Kovalchuk's expected playing years, i.e. past 40. The league and union curbed that by implementing a new rule that years past a player's 41st birthday can't be used to bring a contract's annual cap hit down. Parise's and Suter's contracts end when they're 40. In that way, they're not much different than Kovalchuk's second contract, the one that the NHL did approve.
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Loving all of these new posters on our boards, guys with several thousand posts, but have never been seen around our board before... suddenly showing up with all kinds of great advice for us. Thanks!
With such great hospitality like this, I wonder why
didn't Parise actually say that Suter persuaded him to sign? It was either last night or this morning.
Loving all of these new posters on our boards, guys with several thousand posts, but have never been seen around our board before... suddenly showing up with all kinds of great advice for us. Thanks!
There's a report that Parise claims both playing together was Suter's idea ... another stating that Suter's agent told the Wild something along the lines that if they wanted Suter it would only happen if both players were signed there .... yet another stating that Parise wanted Suter to receive the same pay deal as him .... a lot of snippets of negotiations with nothing revealing when Suter or Parise came to the final decision to leave their respective teams and sign with Minnesota. Was it a decision made in November? January? Tuesday night? Does it really matter? For me ... not really. Guys in our uniform are the good guys, guys wearing the other uniforms are the enemy. It's entertainment.
Osprey is ok by me. Incredibly knowledgeable poster, and, if I remember correctly, another former lifelong Kings fan. If I'm wrong on the latter, the former still holds. Don't mind us, we're all a bit sensitive at the moment.
Our teams were Cleveland Cavalier'd and Toronto Raptor'd. Read the Parise quotes that came out it sounded like they were talking about it ALL last season. The quotes are similar to what LeBron came out with. only exception is both our teams will be fine. They want to prance around on a losing franchise, let them.
Incredibly knowledgeable poster, and, if I remember correctly, another former lifelong Kings fan. If I'm wrong on the latter, the former still holds. Don't mind us, we're all a bit sensitive at the moment.
