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07-07-2012, 03:19 AM
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I thought someone else reported this a couple of days ago. I'm still a huge advocate of signing him. We need a lethal winger. If we get him we move someone else.

I'm not opposed to it. It's free talent in the sense we don't have to trade. And he's good enough that if he fizzles out someone will take him in a trade.

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Wohhhhhhh so much news today for Colorado...

I would love to see Ryan in avs uniform for the right price. Prefer him than Vanek. But Vanek is a very good option.

Maybe the best option is to sign Semin. Go go Varly

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TPS, have you heard any rumors through your grape vines about acquisitions or FA's we are targeting? Or does that stay with management?

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TPS, have you heard any rumors through your grape vines about acquisitions or FA's we are targeting? Or does that stay with management?
I don't know anybody in management or scouting for us and the free agents I know are players we are not interested in.

Your guess is as good as mine. Sorry, no Russian contacts for Semin or anything like that.

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07-07-2012, 03:56 AM
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Yuppo, we've heard that one a few times, and a few of 'em saying that Varlamov would never call up Semin. Who knows I suppose.

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If we do trade Stastny we not only have to replace his production but also the production he adds to guys like Jones and McGinn

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07-07-2012, 08:05 AM
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I don't want to trade Staz for fair value. Not even for an overpayment. It has to be a massive overpayment or we should keep him. I want to see what he does over an extended period with Ginner and Jones (and/or Semin). I also want to let Dutch season for another year before we trade Staz. If Staz has a great year, but mgmt is hell bent on trading him, he'll be worth so much more next year.

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07-07-2012, 08:31 AM
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I don't want to trade Staz for fair value. Not even for an overpayment. It has to be a massive overpayment or we should keep him. I want to see what he does over an extended period with Ginner and Jones (and/or Semin). I also want to let Dutch season for another year before we trade Staz. If Staz has a great year, but mgmt is hell bent on trading him, he'll be worth so much more next year.
But if he has another 55pointish season he'll be worth even less.
Not saying we should trade him but if managment for whatever reason wants to trade him it's risky counting on him having a great season to pick up more value.

By the way, what will his status be after this contract? UFA?

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He has 2 years left on this contract.

We might get best value trading him next year, when the contract is almost over -- and he could be traded at the deadline.

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Since the CBA has increased so dramatically since he wrote that contract, 6.6M isnt really that much of an overpayment anymore. And it's certainly not a problem for us. We have basically needed it to reach the capfloor. I really want us to have a strong center lineup with Stastny, Duchene, O'Reilly.

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Stoa has signed with the Capitals for one season.

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let Jay McClement go for $3M / 2 years
re-sign David Jones for $16M / 4 years
add PA Parenteau for $16M / 4 years
still have not met Ryan O'Reilly's agents contract expectations


Do these offseason moves sound like those of a team planning to...
A) Keep Stastny and add winger help
B) Trade Stastny for a wingers/defensemen
?

The rumors are coming from people who are motivated to generate internet traffic and create FA buzz, and being gobbled up by fans who can't seem to stop trying to figure out how their team can add Stastny, and other fans who can't seem to stop trying to figure out how to get rid of Stastny.

I think Avs office has offered plenty of hints by their actions what their overall plan is, and it seems like it will be built around rolling 3 fairly balanced lines for a large portion of the game.

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I don't want to trade Staz for fair value. Not even for an overpayment. It has to be a massive overpayment or we should keep him. I want to see what he does over an extended period with Ginner and Jones (and/or Semin). I also want to let Dutch season for another year before we trade Staz. If Staz has a great year, but mgmt is hell bent on trading him, he'll be worth so much more next year.
Staz for Ryan? Would you pull the trigger? Even if we had to add a little.

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07-07-2012, 11:32 AM
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He has 2 years left on this contract.

We might get best value trading him next year, when the contract is almost over -- and he could be traded at the deadline.
This.

His value is more or less at an all time low right now. If he has another 55 point season, it will do nothing to change that. Next year he'll have more value or somewhere around the same at least since he'll only have a year of that contract left and whoever trades for him can look forwarding to halving it the next season.

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This.

His value is more or less at an all time low right now. If he has another 55 point season, it will do nothing to change that. Next year he'll have more value or somewhere around the same at least since he'll only have a year of that contract left and whoever trades for him can look forwarding to halving it the next season.
I absolutely agree with Adamo. His value has the potential to be much, much higher and I don't think it would decrease much even with another sub par season (although I don't see that happening).

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07-07-2012, 01:04 PM
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Can I ask, what trade value does a guy like Jones have? I dont like the idea of trading Staz but I would love Ryan in an Avs uni.

What about trading Jones, prospect, pick for Ryan? Is that over valuing Jones? We could throw in Kobasew too, hes scored 20g once or twice =P

Then if we signed Semin to add to that, our top 9 could be

McGinn/Staz/Ryan
Semin/Duchene/PAP
Lando/O'Reilly/Downie

That lineup sounds AMAZING to me =D

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Can I ask, what trade value does a guy like Jones have? I dont like the idea of trading Staz but I would love Ryan in an Avs uni.

What about trading Jones, prospect, pick for Ryan? Is that over valuing Jones? We could throw in Kobasew too, hes scored 20g once or twice =P

Then if we signed Semin to add to that, our top 9 could be

McGinn/Staz/Ryan
Semin/Duchene/PAP
Lando/O'Reilly/Downie

That lineup sounds AMAZING to me =D

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You're not getting Ryan for that, even if the pick is our 2013 1st round pick.

Jones isn't getting traded, nor is his trade value particularly high. The guy had less than 40 points last season and is making $4M/year.

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Can I ask, what trade value does a guy like Jones have? I dont like the idea of trading Staz but I would love Ryan in an Avs uni.

What about trading Jones, prospect, pick for Ryan? Is that over valuing Jones? We could throw in Kobasew too, hes scored 20g once or twice =P

Then if we signed Semin to add to that, our top 9 could be

McGinn/Staz/Ryan
Semin/Duchene/PAP
Lando/O'Reilly/Downie

That lineup sounds AMAZING to me =D

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Welcome to HF.

And as for trading Jones, teams don't trade players they just signed to long-term deals and especially not if the said player was about to become an UFA.

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Can I ask, what trade value does a guy like Jones have? I dont like the idea of trading Staz but I would love Ryan in an Avs uni.

What about trading Jones, prospect, pick for Ryan? Is that over valuing Jones? We could throw in Kobasew too, hes scored 20g once or twice =P

Then if we signed Semin to add to that, our top 9 could be

McGinn/Staz/Ryan
Semin/Duchene/PAP
Lando/O'Reilly/Downie

That lineup sounds AMAZING to me =D

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Hello and welcome to the forum.

Yes, that is an extreme over valuing of Jones, and Jones/Prospect/Pick won't get us Ryan at all, although we can all agree that it'd be nice if it did.

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Can I ask, what trade value does a guy like Jones have? I dont like the idea of trading Staz but I would love Ryan in an Avs uni.

What about trading Jones, prospect, pick for Ryan? Is that over valuing Jones? We could throw in Kobasew too, hes scored 20g once or twice =P

Then if we signed Semin to add to that, our top 9 could be

McGinn/Staz/Ryan
Semin/Duchene/PAP
Lando/O'Reilly/Downie

That lineup sounds AMAZING to me =D

ps Hi everyone

Welcome, question. How old are you?

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Welcome, question. How old are you?
Why, does it sound like I still play with crayons?

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Can I ask, what trade value does a guy like Jones have? I dont like the idea of trading Staz but I would love Ryan in an Avs uni.

What about trading Jones, prospect, pick for Ryan? Is that over valuing Jones? We could throw in Kobasew too, hes scored 20g once or twice =P

Then if we signed Semin to add to that, our top 9 could be

McGinn/Staz/Ryan
Semin/Duchene/PAP
Lando/O'Reilly/Downie

That lineup sounds AMAZING to me =D

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Jones' value is higher to the Avs or for a team in need of scoring help on the FA market.
trading him won't net you much outside of a similar player or a prospect who's far away.
the package you suggested would get the Avs hung up on with the quickness.

Ryan is going to cost quite a bit to acquire, his trade cost will be second only to Nash in terms of assets dealt away to acquire him.
he's a 30+ goal scorer and a + player every season.
that commands a lot in a trade.

welcome to the forums.

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07-07-2012, 01:23 PM
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You're not getting Ryan for that, even if the pick is our 2013 1st round pick.

Jones isn't getting traded, nor is his trade value particularly high. The guy had less than 40 points last season and is making $4M/year.
I kinda figured that, but the thought slipped into my head this morning so I figured I would throw it out there.

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But if he has another 55pointish season he'll be worth even less.
Not saying we should trade him but if managment for whatever reason wants to trade him it's risky counting on him having a great season to pick up more value.

By the way, what will his status be after this contract? UFA?
Then so be it, because if we trade him right now, teams are going to say that Stastny is only a 55 point player when we know he is better than that. Its not a risk unless we are turning down a crazy offer which we're not getting.

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