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07-04-2012, 01:06 PM
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Hjalmersson for Backstrom

The Wild are at 67.3 mil right now and are paying Backstrom $6 mil this season and he is a UFA the year after. They have Harding as the back up (.917 save% last year) and Hackett in the minors.

The Hawks are paying Hjalmersson $3.5 mil for the next 2 seasons and then he is a UFA.

If the Hawks are intent on dealing Hjalmersson why not for an upgrade in goal? The Wild get a 2nd pairing defenseman and cap space, the Hawks get a #1 goalie (they would then dump Emery somewhere).

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I'd want something back in addition to Backstrom. Hammer straight up for Backstrom just seems like we're giving them a hand.

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07-04-2012, 01:08 PM
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Rather keep Hammer and go after a younger goalie for prospects, I think we could get Backstrom for less anyways plus do you really want Oduya on our 2nd pair permanently?

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I could see a deal happening involving Backstrom.. but I think it will be closer to the TD and I don't see Chicago moving a Dman to get him.

The Hawks are going to give Crawford a chance to bounce back before they go out and spend 6M per on a goaltender.

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The Hawks better be careful with any potential deals with Minnesota. If that realignment plan goes through after the CBA, then they will be in our division a year later. That team is downright scary for the future and we don't need to help them by giving them Hammer.

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So Hawks downgrade on D , Upgrade in net while giving up 25 yr old player for aging goalie 1 yr away from UFA

Seems like lateral move to me now and haunting in future

I like Backstrom but he has had some injury issues and weaking the team defensively isn't a good thing

This i were the pathetic Oduya re-signing haunts us

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So you're getting Backstrom for 1 year. How old is he to even considering resigning him?

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They'd have to add with that ridiculous cap hit on Backstrom.

Hammer+ 2nd

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Backstrom+ good D prospect?

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07-04-2012, 01:11 PM
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They'd have to add with that ridiculous cap hit on Backstrom.

Hammer+ 2nd

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Backstrom+ good D prospect?
Hawks don't have 2nd or 3rd pick this year due to horrid Oduya trade.

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So Hawks downgrade on D , Upgrade in net while giving up 25 yr old player for aging goalie 1 yr away from UFA

Seems like lateral move to me now and haunting in future

I like Backstrom but he has had some injury issues and weaking the team defensively isn't a good thing

This i were the pathetic Oduya re-signing haunts us
Definitely possible it could be haunting down the road but at 25, is Hjalmersson ever going to get any better?

Also is our D that bad or does it look worse because Crawford is in the net not saving anything?

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They'd have to add with that ridiculous cap hit on Backstrom.

Hammer+ 2nd

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Backstrom+ good D prospect?
Why are you adding a 2nd from Hawks?

And ndgt10 ,, You can trade 2014 draft picks so not having a 2013 2nd doesn't mean the Hawks cant trade a 2nd round pick

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So you're getting Backstrom for 1 year. How old is he to even considering resigning him?
He is 34. So he probably has 2-3 good good years left after this one.

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Definitely possible it could be haunting down the road but at 25, is Hjalmersson ever going to get any better?

Also is our D that bad or does it look worse because Crawford is in the net not saving anything?
It's a mix.. but it's a 70/30 mix, with most of it on the defense.

You cannot win with the PK system they play and you cannot win when you're wingers are never in position to support breakouts, rather flying up the ice looking to "stretch" the opposing team..

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Why are you adding a 2nd from Hawks?

And ndgt10 ,, You can trade 2014 draft picks so not having a 2013 2nd doesn't mean the Hawks cant trade a 2nd round pick
If he starts trading 2014 picks because he already traded off the 2013 picks, then

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Definitely possible it could be haunting down the road but at 25, is Hjalmersson ever going to get any better?

Also is our D that bad or does it look worse because Crawford is in the net not saving anything?
Hammer at 25 >> Oduya

And we know both the D and G were pathetic ,, The D constantly fell apart as did the goaltending

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Why are you adding a 2nd from Hawks?

And ndgt10 ,, You can trade 2014 draft picks so not having a 2013 2nd doesn't mean the Hawks cant trade a 2nd round pick
Obviously. Stan isn't giving up more of his beloved picks however.

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Hammer at 25 >> Oduya

And we know both the D and G were pathetic ,, The D constantly fell apart as did the goaltending
I agree Hammer is better than Oduya, but if you want a starting goalie, you have to give up something of value. Everyone wants to do trades where the Hawks get the best player and don't hurt themselves elsewhere. Starting goalies don't move, if you want one, you have to pay.

Plus I think you can find a 2nd pairing defenseman in free agency easier than you can find a legit starting goaltender.

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I agree Hammer is better than Oduya, but if you want a starting goalie, you have to give up something of value. Everyone wants to do trades where the Hawks get the best player and don't hurt themselves elsewhere. Starting goalies don't move, if you want one, you have to pay.

Plus I think you can find a 2nd pairing defenseman in free agency easier than you can find a legit starting goaltender.
Why should Hawks give up something of value for a goalie who has always played in D first systems (Trap)

Who knows how he would play behind Hawks D

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Why should Hawks give up something of value for a goalie who has always played in D first systems (Trap)

Who knows how he would play behind Hawks D
Fair point. I'm not saying this is a good deal or a deal I would do, it just seems possible and would be an upgrade in goal as everyone is pining for.

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Hawks still need the depth on defense and Hjalmarsson can carry big minutes if needed. I worry about Backstrom's health after last year and his last postseason experience a half decade ago didn't go well. Even if a decent prospect is thrown in, I'm not a big fan of this trade.

The last dump CHI took from Fletcher ended injured then on a milk carton, I worry the same thing might repeat itself after all those groin/lower body problems last year.

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Hammer can not be traded at this point. The Hawks 2nd pair would be horrific.

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Hammer can not be traded at this point. The Hawks 2nd pair would be horrific.
Lets not forget that Hammer was not on 2nd pair near end of season

He was 3rd liner at that point

I have no idea what will happen with Hammer ,, He has doen nothing but regress since signing that contract with Sharks

Part of me wants him gone ,, But cant afford it with that god awful mistake Oduya around

If the Hawks do move Hammer it needs to be for something that helps team more then 1 yr

Hammer used as part of package to acquire a #2C or a young dman with top 4 potential would be what I would hope at this point

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For the last time, Oduya was not a mistake. If they didn't sign him they would have signed another, simular player and, juding by the market, that player would have been more expensive and likely no better for what Chicago needs.

Whether you like Oduya, the price he cost or Bowman that doesn't matter.. the Hawks, the team, needed someone like him to help move the puck. Who would you rather have gotten to do that?

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this deal makes sense, but I don't see MIN trading Backstrom away. They want to win now and he gives them the best chance to win.

I'd do it straight up, hope that we could get a 3rd added

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For the last time, Oduya was not a mistake. If they didn't sign him they would have signed another, simular player and, juding by the market, that player would have been more expensive and likely no better for what Chicago needs.

Whether you like Oduya, the price he cost or Bowman that doesn't matter.. the Hawks, the team, needed someone like him to help move the puck. Who would you rather have gotten to do that?
Rather have Keith , Seabrook , Leddy , Hammer , Brookbank and Monty/Olsen over wasting 3.3M and roster space on the bum

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