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07-08-2012, 09:45 AM
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LOL at stastny coming in the same sentance as getz

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07-08-2012, 09:52 AM
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So Parenteau's only had 1 good season - even though his last 2 year point total (120 pts) and his last season (67pts) was higher then Grabovski (108, 58), Kulemin (85/57) or MacArthur (105/62) best year(s). And his 2 good seasons are a fluke, but Grabo, Kuli and MacA's 2 good seasons (1 in Kuli's case) are evidence that they are valuable top 6 wingers. I just wanted to check to see if I got that right.

Add to the above argument that Stastny's value is low because he's had 2 down years after 3 great years (2 years of fairly difficult hockey for the whole Avs organization I might add), but Grabo and MacA's value is high when they've only had 2 good seasons that are comparable to Stastny's down years.

Stastny is a very good 200 ft. player who would be a 1st line C on 15 teams in the NHL and a top 6 on 28 teams. His value is very high based on the position he plays, his age and his proven ability. The only downside of Stastny is his cap hit, but that isn't an issue for the Avs because they're closer to the floor then the cap so it's not an issue at all. To another team with limited cap space it could be a negative but that is the other teams issue, not Colorado's. To the Avs Stastny is worth nearly as much as Richards, and about the same as Carter.

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So Parenteau's only had 1 good season - even though his last 2 year point total (120 pts) and his last season (67pts) was higher then Grabovski (108, 58), Kulemin (85/57) or MacArthur (105/62) best year(s). And his 2 good seasons are a fluke, but Grabo, Kuli and MacA's 2 good seasons (1 in Kuli's case) are evidence that they are valuable top 6 wingers. I just wanted to check to see if I got that right.

Add to the above argument that Stastny's value is low because he's had 2 down years after 3 great years (2 years of fairly difficult hockey for the whole Avs organization I might add), but Grabo and MacA's value is high when they've only had 2 good seasons that are comparable to Stastny's down years.

Stastny is a very good 200 ft. player who would be a 1st line C on 15 teams in the NHL and a top 6 on 28 teams. His value is very high based on the position he plays, his age and his proven ability. The only downside of Stastny is his cap hit, but that isn't an issue for the Avs because they're closer to the floor then the cap so it's not an issue at all. To another team with limited cap space it could be a negative but that is the other teams issue, not Colorado's. To the Avs Stastny is worth nearly as much as Richards, and about the same as Carter.
Your post makes no sense in front of HF logic !

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What about Mac, and Kadri plus a 3rd for Stasny?

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07-08-2012, 11:25 AM
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LOL at stastny coming in the same sentance as getz
They're actually pretty similar players. Of course Getz gets rated higher, because he's put up a season that Staz hasn't yet come close to matching, but he's also had better finishers to set up and both Staz and Getz are players who's point tallies are very dependent on their wingers finishing, as we were so kindly reminded of this season. Staz actually scores more goals in an average season and is an excellent defensive Center and faceoff man.

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07-08-2012, 11:33 AM
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Geez you'd think Colborne was a bust already

He's not going to get Stastny but he's not garbage either.

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07-08-2012, 11:39 AM
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I can't believe the length of this thread.

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That's overpayment but Avs fans will cry and say its nowhere close to enough, your not getting a top pairing defenseman for stastny so stop asking for one.
Well we don't want to trade stastny so stop asking us to.

I don't get what people don't understand about this. "value" means nothing when one team doesn't want, and doesn't need to trade a player. We don't want good value for stastny, we want to fill a need. If a need isn't being filled there's no reason to trade him. Yeah, stastny isn't worth a top pairing defenseman. But that's or biggest hole so if we aren't getting one, we're not trading stastny.

90% of stastny proposals would only work if the Avs needed to dump salary or if stastny was demanding a trade and we needed to get rid of him. Neither is the case so overpayment in the form of quality, not quantity, would be what it would take to get him. Not because we're overrating him, but because we have no reason to trade him.

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07-08-2012, 01:05 PM
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3 way deals never happen anymore... but I wonder if there's potential for one between Anaheim, Colorado, and Toronto....

Maybe you do something like Nazem Kadri, Clarke MacArthur, Stefan Elliott, and Colorado's 2nd round pick to Anaheim. Bobby Ryan and Tim Connolly to Colorado, and Paul Stastny to Toronto.

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07-08-2012, 01:15 PM
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Avs have no need for Connolly, he's as useful as cardboard boots on the 3rd line and sure isn't out-centering Duchene and O'Reilly.

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Avs have no need for Connolly, he's as useful as cardboard boots on the 3rd line and sure isn't out-centering Duchene and O'Reilly.
Actually, Conolly is quite useful on a 3rd line, especially on a team who has O'Reilly in the top 6. Similar structure to Boston.

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What kind of package from Toronto would an Avs fan be looking for??

1st 2013
Nazem Kadri
Jesse Blacker

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07-08-2012, 05:47 PM
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What kind of package from Toronto would an Avs fan be looking for??

1st 2013
Nazem Kadri
Jesse Blacker

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I wouldn't want a package.

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What kind of package from Toronto would an Avs fan be looking for??

1st 2013
Nazem Kadri
Jesse Blacker

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Problem starts right here.

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This is one of the greatest proposal threads I've read. Well done.

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07-08-2012, 05:56 PM
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What side does Johnson play? (aka, any interest in Phaneuf as a partner for him? Phaneuf shoots left but prefers to play the right)

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07-08-2012, 05:57 PM
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What side does Johnson play? (aka, any interest in Phaneuf as a partner for him? Phaneuf shoots left but prefers to play the right)
If Phaneuf doesn't play left than he's an even worse partner than I realised for EJ. EJ plays right and looks extremely uncomfortable playing left.

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07-08-2012, 05:59 PM
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If Phaneuf doesn't play left than he's an even worse partner than I realised for EJ. EJ plays right and looks extremely uncomfortable playing left.
Alrighty, won't push it any further, I can see there is zero to very little interest.

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Colorado Avalanche acquire:
C Joe Colborne, 22, $0.875M x 1
W Nikolai Kulemin, 26, RFA
W Clarke MacArthur, 27, $3.25M x 1
No one wants our garbage.

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07-08-2012, 06:04 PM
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I think you should sweeten up the offering by adding in Komisarek and Lombardi.

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07-08-2012, 06:19 PM
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lol at Leafs fans thinking their scraps are worth anything in a package.

lol at Avs fans thinking Stastny could get them an elite scoring winger or top pairing defenseman.

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Alrighty, won't push it any further, I can see there is zero to very little interest.
I guess I put that rudely, I have a personal belief that he would not be the right type of partner (physical puck rusher, I'd rather EJ play in that role or a partner that can be solid on both ends consistently). Phaneuf playing on the right side only makes it less likely we should be interested.

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07-08-2012, 06:40 PM
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I guess I put that rudely, I have a personal belief that he would not be the right type of partner (physical puck rusher, I'd rather EJ play in that role or a partner that can be solid on both ends consistently). Phaneuf playing on the right side only makes it less likely we should be interested.
Haha, no worries, when you said in the other post you were interested even less knowing he played on the right, I could tell you had given it some thought before and already weren't really interested. I wasn't sure what kind of defensemen you were looking for either, usually it's just listed as 'top defenseman' for your needs, Phaneuf isn't for everyone, and on HF it seems like he isn't for anyone to be honest haha.

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lol at Leafs fans thinking their scraps are worth anything in a package.

lol at Avs fans thinking Stastny could get them an elite scoring winger or top pairing defenseman.
Stastny with a pick and a prospect could totally net a top pairing defenseman what are you talkin' bout

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This proposal is comical. Now it is nothing but insults and "I know more than you" crap. I can't believe the mods haven't shut this thread down yet

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