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07-04-2012, 07:32 PM
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I've never been a big Bouwmeester fan, but admittedly I haven't payed that much attention. If no one else is there and he doesn't cost too much... sure fine.

But why are Wings fans excited about a guy whose stat sheet looks like Quincey the last 3 years. Plus isn't he also big like Ericsson with a small game like Ericsson.

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07-04-2012, 08:01 PM
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I think Jbo at a lower contract would be a good second pairing dman in Detroit.

For two years left on his contract and considering our desperation - jesus I can't believe I'm saying this - he might be an option we'd have to look at.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go throw up

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07-04-2012, 08:17 PM
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I never want JBo. He's not the answer here. I'd rather have Quincey than JBo. I'd rather have Ericsson play top minutes. At least those guys play like they give a ****.
I agree with you, Sir Benchy. I'm really concerned with JBo's point dropoff over the years - and watching him, he doesn't impress me as any improvement over Kronwall, on a worse contract.

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07-04-2012, 08:22 PM
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The fact he is playing in hockey pergatory has to account for something. The difference between him and Quincey is JayBo has actually "been there".

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07-05-2012, 02:45 AM
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The guy hasnt even played a playoff game before (including junior) but honestly he could be a pretty good option. I would not consider overpaying for him though.

Having Kronwall and J BO as a top 2 on your team is definitely not terrible
Yeah I also think that would be a decent top 2, both have pros/cons but in different ways I think, they could complement eachother.

That said, maybe I AM overrateing J-Bo...just feel that our D needs to improve....SOMEHOW!

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07-05-2012, 03:28 PM
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Using most metrics he was not even a top 50 defenseman last year, and was 882nd in +/- . With that Cap hit he simply is not worth it to me even for a late round pick.

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07-05-2012, 03:30 PM
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Using most metrics he was not even a top 50 defenseman last year, and was 882nd in +/- . With that Cap hit he simply is not worth it to me even for a late round pick.
Amen.

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07-05-2012, 03:36 PM
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Using most metrics he was not even a top 50 defenseman last year, and was 882nd in +/- . With that Cap hit he simply is not worth it to me even for a late round pick.
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Amen.
Ah, two folks who watch hockey outside of Red Wings games!

Bouw would be laughed out of Detroit. Going from Nick, a great leader and winner, to Bouw is like black and white. The guy is a loser through and through. He plays the game like its pickup hockey.

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07-05-2012, 03:54 PM
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Ah, two folks who watch hockey outside of Red Wings games!

Bouw would be laughed out of Detroit. Going from Nick, a great leader and winner, to Bouw is like black and white. The guy is a loser through and through. He plays the game like its pickup hockey.
They are like exact opposite.

Lidström went to the playoffs every year in his career...
Bouwmeester has never seen the playoffs...

Lidström was a minus player only one season in his career...
Bouwmeester has been a plus player only once in his career...

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07-05-2012, 03:59 PM
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They are like exact opposite.

Lidström went to the playoffs every year in his career...
Bouwmeester has never seen the playoffs...

Lidström was a minus player only one season in his career...
Bouwmeester has been a plus player only once in his career...
Pretty sure I had a question on a test like that.

Day is to night, as Lidstrom is to ____________.

Oh, oh! I know! JBo!!!

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07-05-2012, 04:21 PM
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Pretty sure I had a question on a test like that.

Day is to night, as Lidstrom is to ____________.

Oh, oh! I know! JBo!!!
Sir Benchy, you crack me up.

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They are like exact opposite.

Lidström went to the playoffs every year in his career...
Bouwmeester has never seen the playoffs...

Lidström was a minus player only one season in his career...
Bouwmeester has been a plus player only once in his career...
You forgot one...

Lidstrom no longer plays in the NHL
Bouwmeester does and will for many years .


Sorry just pointing out the obvious...

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07-07-2012, 04:46 PM
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Here is the current offer out from the Flames side!

Jbow
Backlund

Filppula
Quincey (Signed or unsigned doesn't matter)
Kindl
2nd

So you can see here, its somewhat of a steep price, but Jbo is an upgrade on Quincey on the defensive side by miles, offensive should improve in a puck possession system like Detroits.

Flippers is UFA next year, is he replaceable? By Nyqvist or Jarnkrok or anyone else? I'm not sure. Backlund is young, development has stalled but he has the skillset, would likely do well here in our Swedish contingent.

And before anyone asks, I watch the same number of Flames games as I watch wings game through the year which is usually around 40, so I do have a pretty good handle on both players I would say.

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07-08-2012, 05:39 PM
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I would give up Kindl, Tomas Tatar and a 2nd rounder.
That would be a good deal for both sides.

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07-08-2012, 06:03 PM
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That would be a good deal for both sides.
Let me put this in terms you guys would understand: I wouldn't trade Quincey straight up for JBo.

That's not hyperbole.

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Let me put this in terms you guys would understand: I wouldn't trade Quincey straight up for JBo.

That's not hyperbole.
Don't really care what you would do. That's still a good deal.

Okay, he's cap is a bit high. But he's a lot better than getting credit for and the contract has only two years left. We aren't likely to get any others out there, and we shouldn't think Weber is in the bank next year.

Hopefully we re-sign Quincey as well. Would be stupid to throw away a first rounder like that.

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07-08-2012, 06:50 PM
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Let me put this in terms you guys would understand: I wouldn't trade Quincey straight up for JBo.

That's not hyperbole.
JBo is an overpaid Quincey.

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07-08-2012, 07:10 PM
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Don't really care what you would do. That's still a good deal.
If you don't care what I think, why should I care what you think is a good deal?

We need a philosopher to sort this out.

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07-08-2012, 07:31 PM
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I'd want a team with J-Bo and Semin, honestly I'd love to cheer for that team because they are the Rodney Dangerfields of the sport. We already suck according to most so why not. I don't care, I just want to be entertained.

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07-08-2012, 07:41 PM
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If you don't care what I think, why should I care what you think is a good deal?

We need a philosopher to sort this out.
Whether I like the deal or you don't. Looking from a objective perspective that is a reasonable legit deal.

Flames get younger and more skilled. Loses a type of player they got several of, and gains some capspace.

Red Wings get experienced d-man that can log huge minutes. The cap is somewhat high, but the team got the capspace for it and the contract is short(2 years). Good offensive upside if he improves to what was expected from him years ago. And they got several offensive guys in the prospect pool.

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Here, I'll say some positives about JBo. He's kinda tall. He plays a lot. He plays all situations. His contract isn't that much longer. He's a fast skater.

But Peca gives us the real scoop.


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Bouwmeester is a quality NHL defenseman.
No, he doesn't hit. No, he's not fierce. But he's a quality D who plays a lot of quality minutes.

Quincey and a 2nd rate prospect for Bouwmeester? Sure.

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Quincey has averaged 30 points per 82 games over his entire NHL career. Bouwmeester has averaged 33 points per 82 games over his entire NHL career.

Quincey's career +/- is -5, playing with the Red Wings, Avalanche, and Kings. Bouwmeester's career +/- is -54, playing with the Panthers and Flames.

Quincey is 26. Bouwmeester is 28.

Quincey is 6'2" and 206 pounds. Bouwmeester is 6'4" and 214 pounds.

Both players shoot left.

Quinceys' cap hit is currently $3,125,000. Bouwmeester's cap hit is $6,680,000 for the next two years.

Where do you think he would slot in on the Red Wings depth chart? I think 99% of us would agree that he's better than Kindl and worse than Kronwall. But money no object, which one of the following D-men would you take him over: (1) Smith, (2) White, (3) Quincey, or (4) Ericsson?


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Quincey has averaged 30 points per 82 games over his entire NHL career. Bouwmeester has averaged 33 points per 82 games over his entire NHL career.

Quincey's career +/- is -5, playing with the Red Wings, Avalanche, and Kings. Bouwmeester's career +/- is -54, playing with the Panthers and Flames.

Quincey is 26. Bouwmeester is 28.

Quincey is 6'2" and 206 pounds. Bouwmeester is 6'4" and 214 pounds.

Both players shoot left.

Quinceys' cap hit is currently $3,125,000. Bouwmeester's cap hit is $6,680,000 for the next two years.

Where do you think he would slot in on the Red Wings depth chart. I think 99% of us would agree that he's better than Kindl and not as good as Kronwall. But money no object, which one of the following D-men would you take him over: (1) Smith, (2) White, (3) Quincey, or (4) Ericsson?
But...but...but..he's got three more points a year than Quincey, is two inches taller and eight pounds heavier! Certainly he's better!!

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Here, I'll say some positives about JBo. He's kinda tall. He plays a lot. He plays all situations. His contract isn't that much longer. He's a fast skater.

But Peca gives us the real scoop.

Mike Peca is an ugly skinny little rat weasel

the guy sat out an entire season, turned his back on his teammates and the sabres, his critique of jaybo does in fact carry less weight then Marc Crawfords of Alex Semin(at least mark is a proven winner)

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