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07-04-2012, 04:15 PM
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Flames missing big man in the middle

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Currently, the pivot crew from all those players consists of Cervenka, Backlund, Michael Cammalleri, Matt Stajan and Blair Jones.
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So, who of them do you envision skating on the top two lines?
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The Flames are banking on Cervenka being one centre in the top-six crew, but can anybody say with certainty he's going to excel in the NHL?
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Then there's Backlund, who was told to ready himself to skate between Jarome Iginla and Alex Tanguay prior to last season.
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Cammalleri is intriguing, but the winger was put at centre as a stop-gap measure last season.
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That brings us to Stajan, the oft-maligned final piece from the Dion Phaneuf trade. Stajan had stints in the top-six with the Flames, including a solid run down the stretch last season.

However, he will be in tough as it is to remain on the team.
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As for Jones, as well as Bouma, nobody is envisioning them in that role.
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Any ideas? I can't believe it's been 17 years since we last had a PPG #1 center.

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The only option I can think of right now (barring a trade) is to waive/buy-out Stajan and sign Arnott for 1 year @ $2.5 million.

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07-04-2012, 04:32 PM
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The only option I can think of right now (barring a trade) is to waive/buy-out Stajan and sign Arnott for 1 year @ $2.5 million.
He probably would contribute about as much as Stajan offensively though.

I think if we really, truly want a #1C we need to be prepared to part with our 1st.

Then a replacement for the player we are getting back: Backlund.

The team we are trading with will likely also want a boost in another area, probably wing or D.

Guys like:

Glencross or Butler.

Are we prepared to part with a package like:

1st
Backlund
Glencross/Butler

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If yes then I think we could acquire a #1 center.

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07-04-2012, 04:46 PM
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This is where I start to really think about where the Flames are headed, and why Feaster should have made it clear which direction the team is going a long time ago.

Getting a #1 center would be great, provided it's a young guy who will grow with the team. I'm very attached to our 1st round picks though, because bringing in a #1 C (I'll use a guy like Berglund for example) does not automatically guarantee us a playoff spot, and honestly a guaranteed playoff spot is the only way I'd willingly give up our 1st.

It's a bit of a catch 22. Is x number of years of Berglund/whoever worth giving up one 1st round pick? I'm not sure... it could potentially speed up the re-tool. Or it could set us back. I seriously do not envy Feaster.

As for the post above mine (InfinityIggy), depending on the player that is being brought in, I think I would part with 1st, Backlund, Glencross/Butler. But it does depend on who it is.

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07-04-2012, 04:54 PM
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I agree. But in terms of available we have like 2 choices. So wait till next year and get Getzlaf. Or trade JBo or someone to STL for Berglund. Otherwise stand pat and keep tinkering

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07-04-2012, 05:15 PM
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Giordano and a prospect for Bouchard and Coyle? Numbers are about square.

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Throw anything outside of Sven, and next year's first at a team for a legit first c.
Berglund would work wonders in Calgary... Maybe trade and extension on getz? Would cost an arm and a leg for getz though.

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Throw anything outside of Sven, and next year's first at a team for a legit first c.
Berglund would work wonders in Calgary... Maybe trade and extension on getz? Would cost an arm and a leg for getz though.
Bye bye Bouwmeester/Backlund.

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People need to realize if we actually use Stajan we become an ok faceoff team last year our 4 top center man took 2,909 faceoffs and won 1359 for a faceoff% of 47%, Now using Stajan and letting him take Jokinen's 1333 faceoffs as well as using Cammy, Backlund, Jones as center man we would win 1395 for a faceoff% of 48%. The main problem with last year was Horak and allowing Jokinen to take twice as much as Stajan we could actually improve our faceoff numbers by simply using our best faceoff player.

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Bye bye Bouwmeester/Backlund.
I see this happening in a big bad way... How much would we need to add to get Cole coming back.

Need to get that top four somewhat competitive.

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Throw anything outside of Sven, and next year's first at a team for a legit first c.
Berglund would work wonders in Calgary... Maybe trade and extension on getz? Would cost an arm and a leg for getz though.
I'd consider a trade involving Sven to the Flyers for Schenn or Couturier. Would prefer to send other pieces instead though.

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People need to realize if we actually use Stajan we become an ok faceoff team last year our 4 top center man took 2,909 faceoffs and won 1359 for a faceoff% of 47%, Now using Stajan and letting him take Jokinen's 1333 faceoffs as well as using Cammy, Backlund, Jones as center man we would win 1395 for a faceoff% of 48%. The main problem with last year was Horak and allowing Jokinen to take twice as much as Stajan we could actually improve our faceoff numbers by simply using our best faceoff player.
When are you going to realize it's not just about winning faceoffs! It's about acquiring a legit top-2 center who can put up points, is tough to play against, and can keep up with Iggy/Cammy.

If being a center was just about winning faceoffs, guys like Steckel and Konopka would be among the highest paid players in the game. Stajan is perfectly capable of winning his >50% faceoffs playing on the 4th line.


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I'd consider a trade involving Sven to the Flyers for Schenn or Couturier. Would prefer to send other pieces instead though.
Couturier, yes.
He's going to be a stud. Schenn I could pass on.

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When are you going to realize it's not just about winning faceoffs! It's about acquiring a legit top-2 center who can put up points, is tough to play against, and can keep up with Iggy/Cammy.

If being a center was just about winning faceoffs, guys like Steckel and Konopka would be among the highest paid players in the game. Stajan is perfectly capable of winning his >50% faceoffs playing on the 4th line.
What is a legit top 2 centerman?

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What is a legit top 2 centerman?
If you can't figure that out yourself, I can't help you.

HINT: It's not Matt Stajan.

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If you can't figure that out yourself, I can't help you.

HINT: It's not Matt Stajan.
He has 2 50+ point seasons and was on pace for that last year before he was hit by Staal so what is your definition.

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Current No.1 and No.2 centers in the league.

Sidney Crosby
Evgeni Malkin
Eric Staal
Jordan Staal
Ryan Getzlaf
Jonathan Toews
Patrick Sharp
David Krejci
Patrice Bergeron
Paul Statsny
Matt Duchene
Derrick Brassard
Derrick Roy
Pavel Datsyuk
Henrik Zetterberg
Shawn Horcroff
Stephen Weiss
Anze Kopitar
Mike Richards
Brad Richards
Jeff Carter
Jarret Stoll
Mikko Koivu
Matt Cullen
Tomas Plekanec
David Legwand
Mike Fisher
Traviz Zajac
Patrick Elias
John Tavares
Frans Nielsen
Jason Spezza
Kyle Turris
Danny Briere
Claude Giroux
Antoinee Vermette
Brandon Sutter
Joe Thornton
Joe Pavelski
Andy McDonald
David Backes
Vincent Lecavalier
Steven Stamkos
Tim Connolly
Mikhail Grabovsky
Ryan Kessler
Henrik Sedin
Niklas Backstrom
Mike Ribeiro
Olli Jokinen
Nik Antropov



This is the list of people we should be looking at if we really want a No.1/2 center. Some of these guys might have inflated numbers from badass wingers or icetime they shouldnt be getting sure, but from the numbers I've seen, this is the list of BONAFIDE NO.1/2 CENTERS.

Please note the LACK of Matt "18 Points" Stajan.

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^ How many points would Matt Cullen have on the 4th line?

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^ How many points would Matt Cullen have on the 4th line?
More then Stajan.

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More then Stajan.
Doubt it Stajan had 1.4 points per 60 minutes ES played playing with Tko and Jackman meanwhile Cullen had 1.5 points per 60 minutes ES played playing with MarcBouchard and Clutterbuck but yea he is much better

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Current No.1 and No.2 centers in the league.

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This is the list of people we should be looking at if we really want a No.1/2 center. Some of these guys might have inflated numbers from badass wingers or icetime they shouldnt be getting sure, but from the numbers I've seen, this is the list of BONAFIDE NO.1/2 CENTERS.

Please note the LACK of Matt "18 Points" Stajan.
P. Bergeron or D. Krejci would be our best targets because Seguin is a #2/#1 defensemen.

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In what universe is Horcoff still considered a 'bonafide' number one or two centre?

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In what universe is Horcoff still considered a 'bonafide' number one or two centre?
The world where pigs fly

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In what universe is Horcoff still considered a 'bonafide' number one or two centre?
Horcoff only centred the top line to start the season I believe. It's like us saying Backlund is a number one centre because of October.

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Horcoff only centred the top line to start the season I believe. It's like us saying Backlund is a number one centre because of October.
I looked at his numbers, he's a No.2 center. There are a few other No.2's on that list.

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