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07-10-2012, 01:06 PM
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I think Kabanov may get a long look to make the team this year. Out of him Strome, Niederreiter and Kabanov I think KK has the best chance of making the team.
Personally he seems like the kind of player that would compliment Tavares perfectly. Can work the boards, move the puck, snipe, and has his own fair share of moves. I'm not sure what kind of production he'll have when he's done developing but I feel he's one of those guys that could explode onto the scene.

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Personally he seems like the kind of player that would compliment Tavares perfectly. Can work the boards, move the puck, snipe, and has his own fair share of moves. I'm not sure what kind of production he'll have when he's done developing but I feel he's one of those guys that could explode onto the scene.
I do think KK could surprise, but I'd like to see him get a full year at the Bridge before he is even considered for a spot on the big club. I would love to see a line of Nino-Nelson-KK down there. If they all have strong years, next year's training camp could be very interesting.

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I think Kabanov may get a long look to make the team this year. Out of him Strome and Niederreiter I think KK has the best chance of making the team.
Don't see a spot for any of these guys in the top 6.

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I do think KK could surprise, but I'd like to see him get a full year at the Bridge before he is even considered for a spot on the big club. I would love to see a line of Nino-Nelson-KK down there. If they all have strong years, next year's training camp could be very interesting.
If they all have strong years, I would expect at least one of them to be called up, no?

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I do think KK could surprise, but I'd like to see him get a full year at the Bridge before he is even considered for a spot on the big club. I would love to see a line of Nino-Nelson-KK down there. If they all have strong years, next year's training camp could be very interesting.
I completely agree with you concerning him starting in the AHL. Just wouldn't be surprised if he makes the decision very hard for management especially considering all the underachieving wingers this team is currently stocked with(Bailey, Grabner, Okposo,)

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If they all have strong years, I would expect at least one of them to be called up, no?
Definitely a possibility, I just hope that they all start the year in Bridgeport. If they earn a promotion, then so be it. As long as it is earned.

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I completely agree with you concerning him starting in the AHL. Just wouldn't be surprised if he makes the decision very hard for management especially considering all the underachieving wingers this team is currently stocked with(Bailey, Grabner, Okposo,)
I know we say it every year, but this upcoming year should be a big year for the incumbents and prospects to show and more importantly earn the right to be considered the core going forward. I hope that Bails, KO, and Grabs have strong years as well the kid crew in the AHL. Gives the team a lot more options and attractive pieces to upgrade the team going forward. Interested to see how things play out when the smoke clears.

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Barring no more changes, I think the forwards could look like this:

Moulson-Tavares-Boyes
Bailey-Nielsen-Okposo
Grabner-Cizikas-Kabanov
Martin-Reasoner-Boulton/Joensuu

Unless Boyes matches/tops PA's production, Okposo/Bailey take steps forwards and Grabner bounces back to 30+ goals thats a lottery team lineup right there.

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07-10-2012, 01:49 PM
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Barring no more changes, I think the forwards could look like this:

Moulson-Tavares-Boyes
Bailey-Nielsen-Okposo
Grabner-Cizikas-Kabanov
Martin-Reasoner-Boulton/Joensuu

Unless Boyes matches/tops PA's production, Okposo/Bailey take steps forwards and Grabner bounces back to 30+ goals thats a lottery team lineup right there.
I know I'm repeating myself but it just bugs me to no end that in the end they are pretty much handing CC a roster spot. He should be out there earning it, plus they are still short a winger. How the **** can they say they are done when those needs haven't been met? It's not that hard and they don't need superstars! Just solid players in those two spots would do a lot for this team!

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07-10-2012, 01:54 PM
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predictions for next season

the 2 line ups i expect to see some way or another

moulson - tavares - okposo/boyes
bailey - nielsen - okposo/boyes
ullstrom - cizikas - grabner
martin - reasoner - joensuu
boulton

vis - hamonic
streit - macdonald
donovan/de haan - carkner
donovan/de haan

nabby
poulin/nilsson


moulson 39 - 30 - 69
tavares 43- 59- 102
okposo 34-42-76

bailey 19- 32- 52
nielsen 18-32-50
boyes 23 -20 - 43

ullstrom 17-24-41
cizikas 15 - 30 - 45
grabner 35 -20 -55

martin - 9 -14 -23
reasoner - 5 - 6- 11
joensuu 12 - 6 - 18
boulton 0 - 3 - 3

hamonic - 7 - 21 -28
vis 12- 41 - 53

macdonald 3 - 23 - 26
streit 9 - 44 - 53

donovan 2 - 11- 13
carkner 3 - 7 - 10
dehaan 2 - 13 - 15

307 goals for if every one was to play all 82 games

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the 2 line ups i expect to see some way or another

moulson - tavares - okposo/boyes
bailey - nielsen - okposo/boyes
ullstrom - cizikas - grabner
martin - reasoner - joensuu
boulton

vis - hamonic
streit - macdonald
donovan/de haan - carkner
donovan/de haan

nabby
poulin/nilsson


moulson 39 - 30 - 69
tavares 43- 59- 102
okposo 34-42-76

bailey 19- 32- 52
nielsen 18-32-50
boyes 23 -20 - 43

ullstrom 17-24-41
cizikas 15 - 30 - 45
grabner 35 -20 -55

martin - 9 -14 -23
reasoner - 5 - 6- 11
joensuu 12 - 6 - 18
boulton 0 - 3 - 3

hamonic - 7 - 21 -28
vis 12- 41 - 53

macdonald 3 - 23 - 26
streit 9 - 44 - 53

donovan 2 - 11- 13
carkner 3 - 7 - 10
dehaan 2 - 13 - 15

307 goals for if every one was to play all 82 games
So basically just about every forward is going to have a career high in at least one category this year? I think the only one you can count on is Tavares with Moulson staying the same. Everyone else at best will be marginally better than last year.

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the 2 line ups i expect to see some way or another


307 goals for if every one was to play all 82 games

So we're going to score over a hundred more goals than we did last year?

The Pens had 282 goals last year and they lead the league by 13 over the Bruins.

I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt the Islanders lead the league in goals for next season.

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So basically just about every forward is going to have a career high in at least one category this year? I think the only one you can count on is Tavares with Moulson staying the same. Everyone else at best will be marginally better than last year.
I'll hold judgement on Grabner and to a lesser extent Bailey, but I don't see those point totals coming from Okposo, Cizikas or Ullstrom.

If Okposo shows up for 80+ games this year, he might make 60-65 points if physically handcuffed to JT's right wrist, but he's got a chicken's chance in China to go from 45 to 76 points. Cizikas and Ullstrom will be "as expected" at about 20-30 points and VERY pleasant surprises at 40.

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the 2 line ups i expect to see some way or another

moulson - tavares - okposo/boyes
bailey - nielsen - okposo/boyes
ullstrom - cizikas - grabner
martin - reasoner - joensuu
boulton

vis - hamonic
streit - macdonald
donovan/de haan - carkner
donovan/de haan

nabby
poulin/nilsson


moulson 39 - 30 - 69
tavares 43- 59- 102
okposo 34-42-76

bailey 19- 32- 52
nielsen 18-32-50
boyes 23 -20 - 43

ullstrom 17-24-41
cizikas 15 - 30 - 45
grabner 35 -20 -55

martin - 9 -14 -23
reasoner - 5 - 6- 11
joensuu 12 - 6 - 18
boulton 0 - 3 - 3

hamonic - 7 - 21 -28
vis 12- 41 - 53

macdonald 3 - 23 - 26
streit 9 - 44 - 53

donovan 2 - 11- 13
carkner 3 - 7 - 10
dehaan 2 - 13 - 15

307 goals for if every one was to play all 82 games
Thanks for the laugh.

That would have been the highest scoring team last year by 27 goals, give your head a shake.

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Am I the only one who is going to be annoyed if Boyes is handed the 1st line RW? Unless him and JT show some kind of ridiculous chemistry in training camp and preseason, I think Okposo should be taking that spot. I think it's a terrible message to him and the rest of the team if Boyes just gets it.

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Am I the only one who is going to be annoyed if Boyes is handed the 1st line RW? Unless him and JT show some kind of ridiculous chemistry in training camp and preseason, I think Okposo should be taking that spot. I think it's a terrible message to him and the rest of the team if Boyes just gets it.
To an extent, I agree....but I think one skater with a "Lady Byng" temperament next to JT is enough. I liked how Parenteau was more likely to add a little bit of a temper.

I want it to go to the player that adds the most useful style, approach and intangibles. Neither Boyes nor Okposo seems to be that player, but Boyes has at least scored 30+ goals before.

Kyle Okposo: 68G, 93A, 161P in 271 games = .594 PPG,

Brad Boyes : 158G, 214A, 372P in 558 games - .667 PPG

I'm okay to let them compete in camp, but if I see Okposo play like it's afterschool chess team for another season, I'll be hoping Niederreiter gets his game together and moves them both off the top line season after this one coming.

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I would Keep reasoner as our fourth line center even if it only keeps Cizikas as our third line center or in Bridgeport!
I can deal with that.

I just feel like we missed out on better options and there are even still better options for a 4th line center left out there. But maybe they see something in Reasoner I don't. 6 points in 61 games pains me lol.

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Anyways, I like the idea and im gonna give it a shot. Here goes...

JT - 41g 63a 104pts
MM - 38g 30a 68pts
KO - 30g 35a 65pts

Boyes - 22g 25a 47pts
Nielsen - 14g 36a 50pts
Bailey - 14g 33a 47pts

Martin - 12g 15a 27pts
Cizikas - 7g 12a 19pts
Ullstrom - 14g 14a 28pts

Reasoner - 8g 12a 20pts
JJ - 6g 6a 12pts
Boulton - 1g 3a 4pts

Streit - 10g 38a 48pts
Hamonic - 10g 23a 33pts
AMac - 5g 22a 27pts
Vis - 7g 28a 35pts
Dehaan - 2g 10a 12pts
Carkner - 4g 9a 13pts

Nabakov - 33 Wins

Edit: sheesh, just noticed I forgot someone....

Grabner - 32g 23a 55pts

276 total goals scored lol wow that's a lot


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Anyways, I like the idea and im gonna give it a shot. Here goes...

JT - 41g 63a 104pts
MM - 38g 30a 68pts
KO - 30g 35a 65pts

Boyes - 22g 25a 47pts
Nielsen - 14g 36a 50pts
Bailey - 14g 33a 47pts

Martin - 12g 15a 27pts
Cizikas - 7g 12a 19pts
Ullstrom - 14g 14a 28pts

Reasoner - 8g 12a 20pts
JJ - 6g 6a 12pts
Boulton - 1g 3a 4pts

Streit - 10g 38a 48pts
Hamonic - 10g 23a 33pts
AMac - 5g 22a 27pts
Vis - 7g 28a 35pts
Dehaan - 2g 10a 12pts
Carkner - 4g 9a 13pts

Nabakov - 33 Wins

Edit: sheesh, just noticed I forgot someone....

Grabner - 32g 23a 55pts

276 total goals scored lol wow that's a lot
exactly, it is a lot harder than it looks

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The line ups look great, but if we still want to boys to get some more ice Time in Bport.
We do have another 6+ mil to grab a couple of good skaters.
Like these guys and sign them for a year.. If it clicks then give them another 2 yrs.
If not, work out a great package come deadline and get new prospects or more picks...
Matt Gilroy, 27» - D - $1,200,000
Andrei Kostitsyn,27»- RW - $4,000,000
Kyle Wellwood, 29 C - $1,200,000

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Need to add proven NHLers, now, particularly forwards. There's no logical reason they should go into camp having given an Ullstrom or Cizikas a spot. If they're simply better, then they play and the signees are moved, but we need to go into camp with them on the outside looking in.

I don't care if the kids can 'handle' an NHL shift, I don't want them here until they're ready to 'excel' at the NHL level. It's time to nurture like Detroit nurtures.

Another thing - folks, Kabanov ain't near the NHL. There's no way he's on this team before Ullstrom is, who is by far the readiest of the BPort forwards.

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i don't mind seeing Ullstrom, Czikas and Donovan 'given' spots. tell them it's theirs to lose. they held their own last year, and it's not like we are so full of options. if they choke, send them down and find a replacement.

i prefer to sign two more forwards, and one defenceman, but if we can't get anyone of decent quality, let the kids have a shot.

IMO, telling them that they don't have a chance at a roster spot, after doing everything right last year, can be as harmful as guaranteeing them a spot...

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To an extent, I agree....but I think one skater with a "Lady Byng" temperament next to JT is enough. I liked how Parenteau was more likely to add a little bit of a temper.

I want it to go to the player that adds the most useful style, approach and intangibles. Neither Boyes nor Okposo seems to be that player, but Boyes has at least scored 30+ goals before.

Kyle Okposo: 68G, 93A, 161P in 271 games = .594 PPG,

Brad Boyes : 158G, 214A, 372P in 558 games - .667 PPG

I'm okay to let them compete in camp, but if I see Okposo play like it's afterschool chess team for another season, I'll be hoping Niederreiter gets his game together and moves them both off the top line season after this one coming.
Fair enough regarding the toughness point. The career numbers are a bit moot to me since that is affected by a number of variables. In the what have you done for me lately category, KO wins this.

Your response points to a bigger problem: we don't have any toughness on the forward corps, so 3/4 of our lines are going to be pushed around until I hope Nino develops. So, putting soft KO on a line with JT may turn out to be a bad idea. I just think this is a make or break year for KO and JB. It is time to put up or get dealt for some change of scenery.

My fear is that Crapuano won't change the lines for 3 months after our November tailspin when it's already too late to catch up.

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Fair enough regarding the toughness point. The career numbers are a bit moot to me since that is affected by a number of variables. In the what have you done for me lately category, KO wins this.

Your response points to a bigger problem: we don't have any toughness on the forward corps, so 3/4 of our lines are going to be pushed around until I hope Nino develops. So, putting soft KO on a line with JT may turn out to be a bad idea. I just think this is a make or break year for KO and JB. It is time to put up or get dealt for some change of scenery.

My fear is that Crapuano won't change the lines for 3 months after our November tailspin when it's already too late to catch up.
I agree 100% with this analysis.

Not to mention last season we had dead weight some how managing to get in the lineup as well

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I know I'm new to these forums but I would like to contribute my two cents.

Moulson-Tavares-Okposo (unless he plays like he's at a public skating session)
Bailey-Nielsen-Boyes
Nino-Cizikas-Grabner
Martin-Reasoner-Ullstrom
Boulton

Streit-Hamonic
Visnovsky-MacDonald
Carkner-Donovan

Nabokov
DiPietro (unfortunately)

Anyone who plays on the first line with MM and JT will produce, placing Boyes on their wing does not help the team. Putting Boyes on the 2nd line will help increase the Isles secondary scoring. Cizikas needs to prove he can be an NHL mainstay so to start the season Nielsen should be the 2nd line center but they could flip-flop throughout the season. I really hope that they learn from Bailey and let Strome season for one more season before giving him a spot.

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Forgive me if I missed it, but is there zero chance we see Strome replace someone along the rosters?

As my previous desire to see Reasoner gone off the 4th line, couldn't we put Strome in there as the 4th line center? Start to get him some NHL experience?

We aren't a team afraid to push young players into starting roles, and it could turn out to be a pleasant surprise. I'd rather gamble on a young guy to get a glimpse into the future.

Or have most people determined Strome isn't ready still? Maybe out of camp he can show something. I believe I read correctly he can't be sent down and would need to go to the juniors?

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