HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Anaheim Ducks
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Around The League - Hockey is back!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-26-2012, 04:50 PM
  #476
Paul4587
Moderator
 
Paul4587's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 15,016
vCash: 500
Both sides are ****ing idiots. Get off your ***** and meet ffs.

Paul4587 is offline  
Old
12-26-2012, 06:04 PM
  #477
Lord Flashheart
Squadron Commander
 
Lord Flashheart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bananaland crapital
Country: Croatia
Posts: 4,222
vCash: 500
Far more worried about Lindholm's concussion than about this BS...


Last edited by Lord Flashheart: 12-26-2012 at 07:01 PM. Reason: TYPO
Lord Flashheart is offline  
Old
12-26-2012, 06:36 PM
  #478
bumperkisser
Registered User
 
bumperkisser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,675
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Flashheart View Post
Far more woried about Lindholm's concussion than about this BS...
ya. ****.. not good for us at all..

bumperkisser is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 10:09 AM
  #479
KelVarnsen
Trade Etem!
 
KelVarnsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mission Viejo
Country: United States
Posts: 3,683
vCash: 500
Sounds like owners made a new proposal last night or early this am. They moved even further towards the players. If the players don't accept the offer, the season is done and the players will look really bad.

I expect Fehr and his minions to reject it just because Fehr wants the lockout. Hopefully I am wrong and they accept and come to a deal.

KelVarnsen is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 12:28 PM
  #480
DarthYenik
Registered User
 
DarthYenik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Orange County, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 5,540
vCash: 500
We passed the point of, "If they don't accept this proposal the season is done." Right now they're just going through the motions to keep up public relations.

The good news is, if the season does start in Januaury, it'll be during the month that the Ducks have been known to dominate the past couple seasons.

DarthYenik is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 02:02 PM
  #481
snarktacular
Moderator
Ducks tank is on!
 
snarktacular's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,864
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthYenik View Post
The good news is, if the season does start in Januaury, it'll be during the month that the Ducks have been known to dominate the past couple seasons.
Or it just means the Ducks' slow start will last the entire season.

snarktacular is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 02:17 PM
  #482
Eddie Shack
Bamboo Harvester
 
Eddie Shack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Anaheim, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 8,210
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KelVarnsen View Post
Sounds like owners made a new proposal last night or early this am. They moved even further towards the players. If the players don't accept the offer, the season is done and the players will look really bad.

I expect Fehr and his minions to reject it just because Fehr wants the lockout. Hopefully I am wrong and they accept and come to a deal.
It does not work in the Ducks favor that the new offer now allows 6 year contracts to ufas and still only 7 to your own ufas.

But I agree that if the PA rejects this offer the season is finished. And I will put that squarely on the backs of the players.

Eddie Shack is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 02:29 PM
  #483
Gibson Les Palms
Registered User
 
Gibson Les Palms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,751
vCash: 814
Eklund was spot on with this

Gibson Les Palms is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 04:44 PM
  #484
DarthYenik
Registered User
 
DarthYenik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Orange County, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 5,540
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by snarktacular View Post
Or it just means the Ducks' slow start will last the entire season.
Probably that. At least we wont get our hopes up with a late season push.

DarthYenik is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 06:23 PM
  #485
Exit Dose
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Cerritos, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 19,164
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthYenik View Post
Probably that. At least we wont get our hopes up with a late season push.
Trading groans for Jones.

Exit Dose is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 07:44 PM
  #486
snarktacular
Moderator
Ducks tank is on!
 
snarktacular's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,864
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Dose View Post
Trading groans for Jones.
Standings death means landing Seth!

snarktacular is offline  
Old
12-28-2012, 07:58 PM
  #487
Gibson Les Palms
Registered User
 
Gibson Les Palms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,751
vCash: 814
I'm very interested to see what this Ducks team could do in a shortened season. I think they'd be a pleasant surprise tbh.

Gibson Les Palms is offline  
Old
12-29-2012, 04:06 AM
  #488
Sojourn
Global Moderator
Where's the kaboom?
 
Sojourn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 26,302
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus Teemu View Post
I'm very interested to see what this Ducks team could do in a shortened season. I think they'd be a pleasant surprise tbh.
Really depends on how sharp the players are, I think(and the coaches, for that matter). They could fight for a playoff spot, but I still think they are in a bit of a transition year.

Sojourn is offline  
Old
12-29-2012, 06:26 AM
  #489
Unagi
Registered User
 
Unagi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria
Country: Austria
Posts: 2,407
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus Teemu View Post
I'm very interested to see what this Ducks team could do in a shortened season. I think they'd be a pleasant surprise tbh.
Honestly, looking at the upcoming draft I hope they finish dead last in the NHL. With that roster we wouldn't make an impact in the playoffs anyway, so better get a franchise player. Especially now as we run risk in Lindholm possibly becoming a second Andy McDonald.

Unagi is offline  
Old
12-29-2012, 01:40 PM
  #490
DarthYenik
Registered User
 
DarthYenik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Orange County, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 5,540
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Dose View Post
Trading groans for Jones.
I try to find the silver lining in things like this.

DarthYenik is offline  
Old
12-29-2012, 02:11 PM
  #491
Eddie Shack
Bamboo Harvester
 
Eddie Shack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Anaheim, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 8,210
vCash: 500
The Ducks' season (if there is one) will rest largely on (stop me if you have heard this before) the development of the young guys. Can Fowler, Bonino, and Sbisa each step it up a notch? Can Palmieri and/or Holland make a meaningful contribution?

One other wildcard for all teams will be how fit all the vets are when they come back. Not all of them have been playing regular. With a one week training camp, fit vets will be a huge key to a successful shortened season.

Eddie Shack is offline  
Old
12-29-2012, 05:58 PM
  #492
Paul4587
Moderator
 
Paul4587's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 15,016
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckNoire View Post
Honestly, looking at the upcoming draft I hope they finish dead last in the NHL. With that roster we wouldn't make an impact in the playoffs anyway, so better get a franchise player. Especially now as we run risk in Lindholm possibly becoming a second Andy McDonald.
That's a pretty ****** attitude to have. And a good way to guarantee Getzlaf and Perry walk at the end of the season.

Paul4587 is offline  
Old
12-29-2012, 11:19 PM
  #493
KEEROLE Vatanen
Failures Of Fenwick
 
KEEROLE Vatanen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 19,375
vCash: 500
MAN i can't wait for the season to start, the vultures are already circling the sky for getzlaf and perry

KEEROLE Vatanen is offline  
Old
12-30-2012, 02:09 PM
  #494
JabbaJabba
Registered User
 
JabbaJabba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Finland
Posts: 4,099
vCash: 500
I'm hopeful and hoping that the season starts. Would be interesting to see, which AHL players make it and how the team plays overall. I'm hoping that they'll do good so Perry stays for more, he's the one I'm worried about. I don't believe that the money is going to be a problem when Lydman and Koivu get off the books and Selänne sadly aswell. Also I expect Getzlaf's and Perry's salary raises to be reasonable, Selänne should have showed them the meaning of getting paid less to make the team better.

JabbaJabba is offline  
Old
12-30-2012, 02:18 PM
  #495
Eddie Shack
Bamboo Harvester
 
Eddie Shack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Anaheim, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 8,210
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JabbaJabba View Post
I'm hopeful and hoping that the season starts. Would be interesting to see, which AHL players make it and how the team plays overall. I'm hoping that they'll do good so Perry stays for more, he's the one I'm worried about. I don't believe that the money is going to be a problem when Lydman and Koivu get off the books and Selänne sadly aswell. Also I expect Getzlaf's and Perry's salary raises to be reasonable, Selänne should have showed them the meaning of getting paid less to make the team better.
That's a nice thought but really just another example of why Teemu is universally loved. There just aren't many professional athletes who will do that these days.

Eddie Shack is offline  
Old
12-30-2012, 03:11 PM
  #496
JabbaJabba
Registered User
 
JabbaJabba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Finland
Posts: 4,099
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Shack View Post
That's a nice thought but really just another example of why Teemu is universally loved. There just aren't many professional athletes who will do that these days.
I'm still hoping for it to spread.

JabbaJabba is offline  
Old
12-30-2012, 04:21 PM
  #497
Lord Flashheart
Squadron Commander
 
Lord Flashheart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bananaland crapital
Country: Croatia
Posts: 4,222
vCash: 500
I haven't really got into all the details of proposals so far, but unless I'm missing something from the events thus far, if NHLPA doesn't accept this offer (or something very similar) it will be, in light of "we can't believe NHL walked away over such small differences", hypocrisy of highest order.

Not that I would expect either of the sides to act in dignified and respectful (towards fans) manner at this point.

Lord Flashheart is offline  
Old
12-30-2012, 05:19 PM
  #498
Ducks DVM
Moderator
There is no grunion
 
Ducks DVM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Long Beach, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 16,765
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Flashheart View Post
I haven't really got into all the details of proposals so far, but unless I'm missing something from the events thus far, if NHLPA doesn't accept this offer (or something very similar) it will be, in light of "we can't believe NHL walked away over such small differences", hypocrisy of highest order.

Not that I would expect either of the sides to act in dignified and respectful (towards fans) manner at this point.
You're missing a lot in the details. The NHLPA says they are close, but if you look at their last proposal they're worlds apart. NHL wanted 10% (had been 5%) yearly salary variance, NHLPA offered the lowest year at 25% the highest, which was actually a 75% variance - it allows for circumvention contracts over 8 years (Crosby's would still be legal). The NHL wants a 70M cap this year, then 60 next year, the NHLPA want the cap to NEVER go below 67.5M. That's a problem if revenues don't support that high a cap, but escrow would fix it as the players are only supposed to get 50% (or whatever%) of HRR, EXCEPT the NHLPA wants escrow capped at a low %, so it would result in the players getting a MUCH higher % (potentially 60-70% if league revenue tanks after the lockout). The NHLPA wants unlimited buyouts outside the player share of HRR so the teams who overspent this summer can just continue handing out front loaded contracts while the players they already overspent on still get paid and the players as a whole (again) get a higher than 50:50 share. The NHLPA also wants their share to never go under the amount they to last year, regardless of league economics.

Someone on the business boards did the math - the NHLPA offer in a best case scenario drops their % to 56.5% this year, and could take until year 5-6 to actually reach 50:50. And they want a 6 year CBA......

Ducks DVM is offline  
Old
12-30-2012, 05:31 PM
  #499
Lord Flashheart
Squadron Commander
 
Lord Flashheart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bananaland crapital
Country: Croatia
Posts: 4,222
vCash: 500
Thanks for writing that up.

Lord Flashheart is offline  
Old
12-30-2012, 05:51 PM
  #500
Eddie Shack
Bamboo Harvester
 
Eddie Shack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Anaheim, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 8,210
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducks DVM View Post
You're missing a lot in the details. The NHLPA says they are close, but if you look at their last proposal they're worlds apart. NHL wanted 10% (had been 5%) yearly salary variance, NHLPA offered the lowest year at 25% the highest, which was actually a 75% variance - it allows for circumvention contracts over 8 years (Crosby's would still be legal). The NHL wants a 70M cap this year, then 60 next year, the NHLPA want the cap to NEVER go below 67.5M. That's a problem if revenues don't support that high a cap, but escrow would fix it as the players are only supposed to get 50% (or whatever%) of HRR, EXCEPT the NHLPA wants escrow capped at a low %, so it would result in the players getting a MUCH higher % (potentially 60-70% if league revenue tanks after the lockout). The NHLPA wants unlimited buyouts outside the player share of HRR so the teams who overspent this summer can just continue handing out front loaded contracts while the players they already overspent on still get paid and the players as a whole (again) get a higher than 50:50 share. The NHLPA also wants their share to never go under the amount they to last year, regardless of league economics.

Someone on the business boards did the math - the NHLPA offer in a best case scenario drops their % to 56.5% this year, and could take until year 5-6 to actually reach 50:50. And they want a 6 year CBA......
If the PA holds to wanting all of that (or even most of that) then they are a lot dumber than I ever thought they were. Most of that is for the benefit the small minority of highly paid players who get the big contracts. It will not benefit the vast majority of players and will potentially continue to hurt the league over all. In the mean time the blue collar guys are losing money they will never see again all to advance Don Fehr's legacy.

As nice as most of the players are, I cannot believe they are that ****ing stupid to follow the pied piper down a rat hole.

Eddie Shack is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:52 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.