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07-03-2012, 01:46 PM
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Andy Sutton

So I have been seeing a lot of peoples line ups for defense from the media and on the boards, and I can not help but notice Andy Sutton's name almost never being in the top 6.

I absolutly loved watching this guy last year. Rarely out of position. Big hitter. Great reach/stick work. Gets beat outside once in a while by pure speed but typicaly recovers with sound positioning and reach. He blew my mind a few times with his puck control and some sweet dangles. Size, grit, and a mean streak to boot. Also understands his role and sits whenever needed. Defends the kids. Great in the locker room from what I hear. The guy is rock solid in every aspect of the game.

In short this guy is exactly what Edmonton needs playing night in and night out if we want to make the playoffs. The team seemed vastly better with him in the line-up than when he was out.

I understand they need to develope some of this young talent on the back end but if he plays like he did last year I think it would be foolish to keep throwing guys like: Potter, Fedun, Peckam, Tuebert etc... on the ice. Hell, I thought most night Andy Sutton out played Whitney.

Why is everybody putting him in a 7-8 spot when he is a great 5-6 guy from what I have seen?

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07-03-2012, 01:50 PM
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He's my 6, but I also think he's going to sit some games due to unfair suspensions.

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07-03-2012, 01:50 PM
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I agree 100% with your assessment. Absolutely loved watching him last year

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07-03-2012, 02:05 PM
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On this team, I think you need to role with 6 top-4 guys. You're probably not going to have a legit #1 or even a consistent #2, so if you can roll with 5-6 guys who can play 20 minutes a night, you'll be able to weather the storm a lot better.

Sutton as a #7 let's us insert an useful player into the line-up when injury inevitably strikes. It's important to have actual NHL players in that hole, and not AHL level players like Peckham.

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07-03-2012, 02:07 PM
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Given his size Sutton is too old to play a full season. He is a very good 7th d-man.

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07-03-2012, 02:13 PM
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He knows he's not going to play even 70 games.

The way I see it:

1st pairing: Smid
2nd pairing: Schultz, Schultz, Whitney, Petry

It's a HUGE wildcard who will get the top spot on the R. I think it will be Petry simply because of his handedness. I think people are downplaying the recovery Whitney will have with this offseason, but that's a different discussion.

Bottom Pairing: The guy, out of those 5, who doesn't make it in the top 4 + Sutton/Peckham/Potter

He's a 6/7er, is the bottom line

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07-03-2012, 02:15 PM
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He's in my top 6, for now at least.

Two scenarios.

Smid-Petry
NS-JS
Sutton-Whitney

Unfortunately, that pairing might be a little to immobile. I'm really hoping Whitney is back to form and his issues are behind him.

Smid-Petry
NS-Whitney
Sutton-JS

bottom pairing minutes but get to play with the top line a lot. Just like last season, Sutton got a lot of time with the top line with Barker or Potter. JS can play with the rest of the kids too.

50 games. 16 minutes a game. ALl good with me.

Ideally, he is a 7th guy though. But that dcore needs some added grit, which means Sutton should draw in.

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07-03-2012, 02:16 PM
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I'd be shocked if he plays fewer than 50 games next season.

He and Peckham are the only pugilistic types that we offer as NHL regulars on the back end. Sutton himself, was on the giving end of several bone-crushing hits last season. Pair that with veteran leadership and an obvious offensive prowess and you've got yourself a bonafide top-six defenseman.

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Given his size Sutton is too old to play a full season. He is a very good 7th d-man.
His experience and skill as well mean he can fill in pretty well when needed. Though I like him better as a #7, then 6. That also leaves Potter and Peckham in an interesting spot.

I still want to see Theo Peckham, the bottom-6 hit machine.

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07-03-2012, 02:21 PM
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He's in my top 6, for now at least.

Two scenarios.

Smid-Petry
NS-JS
Sutton-Whitney

Unfortunately, that pairing might be a little to immobile. I'm really hoping Whitney is back to form and his issues are behind him.


Smid-Petry
NS-Whitney
Sutton-JS

bottom pairing minutes but get to play with the top line a lot. Just like last season, Sutton got a lot of time with the top line with Barker or Potter. JS can play with the rest of the kids too.

50 games. 16 minutes a game. ALl good with me.

Ideally, he is a 7th guy though. But that dcore needs some added grit, which means Sutton should draw in.
I'll say this for that pair, what they may lack a bit in mobility they make up for with a good first pass, excellent in Whitney's case.

If those were the pairs, I would be comfortable with that, I would still like another veteran or top-4 guy there though.

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07-03-2012, 02:21 PM
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I thought he was great last year. Perfect bottom pairing guy.

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I thought he was great last year. Perfect bottom pairing guy.
I agree

hopefully he can get in a few more games than last year.

I have no idea how to fit him in tho lol

Smid - Petry

Schultz - Schultz

Whitney - Sutton

Peckham

Potter

Who else am I missing.

Could we maybe turn Peckham into a 4th line winger that bangs crashes and fights like Hordichuk?

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07-03-2012, 02:29 PM
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Whitney-Sutton really does seem like a good pairing, especially if it's a third one. Large guy to stay at home paired with a really good breakthrough pass.

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Agree with the OP, I think Sudsy did a great job for a bottom pairing defender. He gets uneccessarilly dumped on which I think is unfair. I hope he is on the third pairing come the start of the season.

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Are you guys experts?

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Are you guys experts?
Yeah, why?

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Are you guys experts?
Do you need to be experts to have an opinion?

If so, I'd suggest that every message board is pretty much going to piss you off.

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I like Sutton. He was very good for the role he was given.

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I'll say this for that pair, what they may lack a bit in mobility they make up for with a good first pass, excellent in Whitney's case.

If those were the pairs, I would be comfortable with that, I would still like another veteran or top-4 guy there though.
Agreed. Been saying that for awhile now. That's one thing going for Whitney. With Hall and Yakupov (cheats a lot) ready to be sprung, it's the one thing that can really put Whitney's abilities to its full effect even if he can't skate anymore.

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Do you need to be experts to have an opinion?

If so, I'd suggest that every message board is pretty much going to piss you off.
so you're an expert?

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Do you need to be experts to have an opinion?

If so, I'd suggest that every message board is pretty much going to piss you off.
Whoooosh, I think you missed the joke.

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My main problem with Sutton being in the top six is that Potter will be one of the first defencemen to step in if an injury happens. I'd rather sign another defencemen, push Sutton into the seventh spot and hopefully never see Potter in Oilers colours again.

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If Peckham removes his head from his rear, Potter shouldn't be the first replacement.

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I was very impressed with him last year. IMO, our #6 spot is his to lose. If Peckham bounces back he probably takes it away though

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for me 6-7

he can not play everyday and will only play about 45 games next season, But his value is as a vet and being a stready force for the kids

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