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07-05-2012, 03:31 AM
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I'm the first to blast the media, but I do think that this is a discussion that warrants mentioning. This is literally one of the most important days of the year for his job. Shouldn't he be working?

He was working. Working does not require one to be chained to one's desk. He was only gone for a couple of hours during which he was reachable if needed and this on a day when they had openly said they didn't expect to be doing much anyway.

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The political correctness is strong on this board I've noticed. Not many people have the spine to call out burke for being at pride or supporting the troops on important days of burkes job. But the same people would call for burkes head if he was spotted at Canadas Wonderland on July 1st instead of "Pride". Either way hes wasting time and not doing his job to the best of his abilities due to personal agendas, just my opinion.
And what 'agenda' would that be?

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07-05-2012, 03:39 AM
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I love the way the article doesn't identify anyone who is supposedly involved in this alleged controversy. Who is up in arms about it? If fans, then they need to give it a rest because, despite so many in Toronto thinking that their House League and Beer League careers makes them hockey experts, the truth is that they are not and that none of them/us know how these things actually work. In other words, people are shooting their mouths off without knowing squat.

And one of his 'peer group' allegedly said something to this reporter? Yeah right, give me a break. Either ID the person so that we can know a rival GM really said this or shut up about it because the person the reporter spoke to is not actually a member of Burke's peer group.

Typical crap from the Toronto media.

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07-05-2012, 04:13 AM
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For the most part I agree with your points about having a plan ready well before July 1. That said, this point people make about "Burke has a cell phone" is absolute nonsense.

Have you ever tried to get serious work done remotely via telephone? I have. And it doesn't work.

The idea that, should Burke need to do something, he could just slip away from a gigantic parade and talk specifics about contracts on a cell phone, with no files or documents in front of him, is completely ridiculous. Would you buy a car over the phone? Of course not. So why would you think Brian Burke is going to sign free agents on a cell phone from a corner in downtown Toronto?

I will admit that Burke doesnt need to be sitting in his office on July 1 just for appearances, but to argue that he could sneak off from a street festival and get anything tangible done via telephone is simply naive.
You need a better Cell-phone.

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07-05-2012, 04:57 AM
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I think its irrelevant. Burke has already made it clear that he isn't interested in getting front line talent through free agency. He's also made it clear that he has little interest in drafting since they take too long to develop. He's made it abundantly clear that he is only interested in trades. Basically Burke has nothing to do during the free agency period so why not just take the day off. He might as well take the draft day off too but he probably has to sit at the table with all those cameras flashing.

I think the real issue is why does Burke do the opposite of what all the other GMs do and is there a correlation between that and the team consistently finishing near the bottom of the standings every year with him as GM.

I think the writer missed the boat.

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07-05-2012, 04:57 AM
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Different year, same BS from the media
we spend way to much time bashing /defending /talking about brian burke .time to focus on hockey .living in the detroit market ,ken holland talks to the media ,no dog and pony show ,then gets back to work
like burke or not ,im getting tired of the endless publicity this mediocre GM gets
he gets championship press for a 25th place hockey club
just do your job or march somewhere else
IMO.......burke will have a hard time convincing any other owners hes worth the the ink and hot air

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07-05-2012, 05:14 AM
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Curious as to what everyone thinks a GM actually does starting at 12.00 p.m. July 1st.

1) pull out the old Rolodex and start smiling and dialing?

2) sit quietly beside the phone awaiting a random phone call from anyone?

3) go and buy the Hockey News, have a coffee and see what's shaking?

4) log on to HF and hit f5 every two minutes to check out any action.

5) occasionally check Eklund in case you close to any trade opportunities.

Why does everyone think all activity magically happens at 12.01 on July 1st and that nothing is done till then? If you are in Afghanistan or at the gay pride parade or God forbide Church then that is grounds for dismissal.


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07-05-2012, 05:22 AM
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1. Pride parade did not take up the whole day.
2. These things called cell-phones exist.
3. If anybody thinks GMs go into free agency without a set plan, which players they want to target and prices and terms they will pay, they know nothing about hockey.
4. We knew we weren't going to be very active this July 1st.
5. We have countless individuals with GM or management experience who can do the busy work. That doesn't mean they are making the decisions.
6. It is for his dead freaking son.

Leaf fans and media make me want to cry at human stupidity sometimes.
This.

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07-05-2012, 05:46 AM
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I'm the first to blast the media, but I do think that this is a discussion that warrants mentioning. This is literally one of the most important days of the year for his job. Shouldn't he be working?

No matter what profession you're in, I doubt missing something of similar importance for a "social cause" would be tolerated. Try not to judge these things on a case by case basis strictly based on how you feel about the troops or pride.
Who exactly do you think we would be signing? It was apparent that Parise/Suter werent going to sign here. Literally no one else of great consequence was available. McClement didnt sign until late in the day, well after Burke was done.

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07-05-2012, 05:46 AM
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For the most part I agree with your points about having a plan ready well before July 1. That said, this point people make about "Burke has a cell phone" is absolute nonsense.

Have you ever tried to get serious work done remotely via telephone? I have. And it doesn't work.

The idea that, should Burke need to do something, he could just slip away from a gigantic parade and talk specifics about contracts on a cell phone, with no files or documents in front of him, is completely ridiculous. Would you buy a car over the phone? Of course not. So why would you think Brian Burke is going to sign free agents on a cell phone from a corner in downtown Toronto?

I will admit that Burke doesnt need to be sitting in his office on July 1 just for appearances, but to argue that he could sneak off from a street festival and get anything tangible done via telephone is simply naive.
If I had already test driven the car, I would have no problem buying it over my smartphone. Consider that all GM's have a good sense of every player in the league.

Seriously though, this is how modern business works in the western world. I often work remotely in my job, my mobile devices (phone/tablet) are as capable at doing job functions as my computer in my office and I have access from those devices to everything sitting on my office PC and our companies central storage.

I am a software implementation specialist and I can even run some installs and troubleshoot directly from my phone

I do think that it is more than possible that Burke could be walking down the street at any random time, get a call about a trade or potential signing and approve it right from a ' corner in downtown Toronto'. As someone who works with technology every single day, I cannot think of one reason why he wouldn't.

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This.

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Nonis does a lot of work because it's almost like we have 2+ GM's on the Leafs. Nonis is not only the Leafs assistant GM, but also the Marlies GM which IIRC is more of a pay raise than anything. Burke gave him this title to keep him from leaving so that they can build this team together. Burke deals with the media, holds press conferences and ultimately has the final say in a deal, but Nonis is extremely active and Burke's right hand man. Just because they both do a lot of work doesn't mean that Nonis is the GM or anything, Burke just had other things to do. If there was something serious you can bet he'd have left immediately to attend to it.

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This.

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So like the media to just create news, without any research... On July 2nd I remember reading a news report that even though Burke was at the Pride Parade he was glued to his phone the entire time.

There is no need for him to be in a boardroom, I'm sure in the weeks leading up to this him and his associates have gone over their targets and an abundance of possibilities just like with the NHL draft.

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So like the media to just create news, without any research... On July 2nd I remember reading a news report that even though Burke was at the Pride Parade he was glued to his phone the entire time.

There is no need for him to be in a boardroom, I'm sure in the weeks leading up to this him and his associates have gone over their targets and an abundance of possibilities just like with the NHL draft.
Exactly.

They would know who they were going to offer and for exactly how much. Also, signing FA's isn't a mandatory thing. Burke has vocally lacked serious interest in this years draft class.

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The media and fans that gripe about him not being at his desk, completely disregard that he had MLSE's blessing to do what he did.

That's really all we need to know.

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Curious as to what everyone thinks a GM actually does starting at 12.00 p.m. July 1st.

1) pull out the old Rolodex and start smiling and dialing?

2) sit quietly beside the phone awaiting a random phone call from anyone?

3) go and buy the Hockey News, have a coffee and see what's shaking?

4) log on to HF and hit f5 every two minutes to check out any action.

5) occasionally check Eklund in case you close to any trade opportunities.

Why does everyone think all activity magically happens at 12.01 on July 1st and that nothing is done till then? If you are in Afghanistan or at the gay pride parade or God forbide Church then that is grounds for dismissal.
Pretty much this. I wonder how people think Generals manage in a war situation?

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Pretty much this. I wonder how people think Generals manage in a war situation?
Pigeons obviously

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I saw the writer, and I didn't go farther. Bullcrap birdliner writer.

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Just a thought.......wouldn't he likely be using the PHONE in his office to communicate with any agents etc.? Perhaps he even uses his BB in the office. GASP

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Just a thought.......wouldn't he likely be using the PHONE in his office to communicate with any agents etc.? Perhaps he even uses his BB in the office. GASP
lol remember that a lot of Leafs fans are still stuck in 67 and many others in 93

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Anyone remember that guy the other day that was saying the media was letting him off easy because it was the pride parade this time?

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Just a thought.......wouldn't he likely be using the PHONE in his office to communicate with any agents etc.? Perhaps he even uses his BB in the office. GASP
If this guy isn't in Parise's livivng room at 12 pm.... he deserves to lose his house...

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All this righteous speculation about what a GM is doing on July 1st is not much different than what the writer did. Except he got paid.

IMHO Burke's refusal to involve himself in free agency when the other GMs are frantically working at adding talent is the real story.

Would we be worse if we had been adding front line talent during free agency? Not if Burke's team is running the numbers and analyzing things well. We need a center and a goalie. We've had the opportunity to add these assets through drafting and free agency. Burke has declined. We wallow in mediocrity, one spectacular failure after another. Finishing 2nd last the year we traded our top pick, last season.

This is adequate team management for Leaf fans? Another season without either. Burke is not doing his job. No ifs, ands or buts about it the results are crystal clear. We need, Burke fails to get, we finish at the bottom. Rinse and repeat.

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That said, this point people make about "Burke has a cell phone" is absolute nonsense.

Have you ever tried to get serious work done remotely via telephone? I have. And it doesn't work.
I do it every single day, along with millions of others who travel or are just not at their desk 24/7.

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