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07-31-2012, 09:46 AM
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@James Mirtle tweeting that Daniel Alfredson back for another year with Sens.

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Is he not one of the best Swedes to play the game ever? Where does he rank alongside Naslund, Forsberg, and Sundin?

Almost a point a game over his 1100 game career all with one team. Don't see that much anymore, hope he has a good season and retires after the '14 Olympics.

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Is he not one of the best Swedes to play the game ever? Where does he rank alongside Naslund, Forsberg, and Sundin?

Almost a point a game over his 1100 game career all with one team. Don't see that much anymore, hope he has a good season and retires after the '14 Olympics.
Forsberg and Sundin seem to be on a God-like level in Sweden for their respective roles in the 1994 and 2006 Olympic Gold wins. I think Alfredsson is just one step down from that, and Naslund probably one step further below that. (reason being that Alfie was a member of the 2006 Olympic squad and the 2005 WHC squad, whereas Naslund's international resume was unfortunately bereft of Golds).

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Is he not one of the best Swedes to play the game ever? Where does he rank alongside Naslund, Forsberg, and Sundin?

Almost a point a game over his 1100 game career all with one team. Don't see that much anymore, hope he has a good season and retires after the '14 Olympics.
I'm hoping Sens falter and Alfie gets traded to Van.

Let him ride shot gun with the Sedins.

Flawless victory.

And IMO Forsberg, Sundin, Alfredson, Naslund.

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07-31-2012, 06:06 PM
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I'm hoping Sens falter and Alfie gets traded to Van.

Let him ride shot gun with the Sedins.

Flawless victory.

And IMO Forsberg, Sundin, Alfredson, Naslund.
I love Naslund, but the Sedins are already better than him.

I don't know if you were just listing forwards, but if not you forgot Lidstrom who is far and away the best Swede ever.

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I love Naslund, but the Sedins are already better than him.

I don't know if you were just listing forwards, but if not you forgot Lidstrom who is far and away the best Swede ever.
Heh for sure. I was listing from the ones he wrote down.

It's

Lidstrom




Forsberg etc etc .


And I agree Sedins are better than Naslund. Really though Naslund was never a "franchise" winger, IMO. He just had insane chemistry with Tuzzi. Still wish we got Nieds though.. sigh.

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Heh for sure. I was listing from the ones he wrote down.

It's

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Forsberg etc etc .


And I agree Sedins are better than Naslund. Really though Naslund was never a "franchise" winger, IMO. He just had insane chemistry with Tuzzi. Still wish we got Nieds though.. sigh.
I wouldn't say Naslund was a "franchise" player, but he was elite for a few years. I think the only "franchise" player we've ever had is Bure. The Sedins are close.

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I wouldn't say Naslund was a "franchise" player, but he was elite for a few years. I think the only "franchise" player we've ever had is Bure. The Sedins are close.
I'd say Sedins are Elite as well.

From everything I've read Bure was definitely a franchise player. PPG in the regular season, PPG in the playoffs. Calder trophy, Rocket Richard trophy x 2, All star, and would've probably won the Conn Smythe had we won the cup in 94.

I hope I get the chance to watch a player like that live one day..

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Is he not one of the best Swedes to play the game ever? Where does he rank alongside Naslund, Forsberg, and Sundin?

Almost a point a game over his 1100 game career all with one team. Don't see that much anymore, hope he has a good season and retires after the '14 Olympics.
Certainly below Salming. He opened the door (paid for it with the scars on his body) for others to follow.

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I love Naslund, but the Sedins are already better than him.

I don't know if you were just listing forwards, but if not you forgot Lidstrom who is far and away the best Swede ever
Was just listing forwards. Lidstrom is on his own level but Forsberg isn't as far off as some would suggest. He did everything he could in the time he had. With good health he'd be considered one of the all time greats.

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Certainly below Salming. He opened the door (paid for it with the scars on his body) for others to follow.
The scary thing is Salming could have been a whole heck of a lot better. My Dad worked with one of his former teammates and he said he was drunk every time he laced the skates, said it was incredible watching him. Though this was towards the end of his career.

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Certainly below Salming. He opened the door (paid for it with the scars on his body) for others to follow.
I was just going to mention Salming the trail blazer before you stole my thunder.

btw- how does such a youngin' like you know so much about the NHL from the 70's? First the St. Louis Blues making the finals thing and now this. Step away from the computer and go outside and kick a ball or something..... maybe roll a tire down a lane with a stick.

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I'd say Sedins are Elite as well.

From everything I've read Bure was definitely a franchise player. PPG in the regular season, PPG in the playoffs. Calder trophy, Rocket Richard trophy x 2, All star, and would've probably won the Conn Smythe had we won the cup in 94.

I hope I get the chance to watch a player like that live one day..

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Richter had the same playoffs as Kirk and didn't win the Conn so maybe Kirk wouldn't have.

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Did you watch 94 series live?

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McLean definitely had his moments in the '94 run, but had Vancouver won, I think the Conn Smyth should have gone to either Bure or Linden. Those two put the team on their backs, and compelling arguments could be made for either of them winning it.

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Mike Richter would've won the Conn Smythe if he'd guaranteed something.
Nothing in sports I hate more than the meaningless guarantee. Unless you're HUGE underdogs, or you promise to retire if you're wrong, what does it do in a team sport?

Joe Namath studied film and found holes in Baltimore's defense. He ran the offense and made the guarantee good. Messier's Rangers were down in the series against the Devils, but hardly underdogs.

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For every successful sports guarantee, there are many empty ones that have been forgotten. Players make guarantees all the time when the team is in a rut, "we'll get out of this slump", "we'll take it one at a time and win the next one", etc. It's a 50/50 proposition, really.

The only difference with Messier's was that the NY media took what he said and blew it out of proportion in anticipation of the game.

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For every successful sports guarantee, there are many empty ones that have been forgotten. Players make guarantees all the time when the team is in a rut, "we'll get out of this slump", "we'll take it one at a time and win the next one", etc. It's a 50/50 proposition, really.

The only difference with Messier's was that the NY media took what he said and blew it out of proportion in anticipation of the game.
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I was thinking about that one as I typed my post. See? No one gives a crap because it wasn't on the 24 Hours' or Metro's front page on the day of the Stanley Cup Finals even though it could've been very easy pickings for the tabloid media.

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Did you watch 94 series live?
Yeah but I wasn't conscious enough of what was going on. But if they won game 7 and Mclean had the 50 save OT wins plus his performances in round 1 and # of shutouts? I think you'd have to give it to him. Bure had the points but was getting shutdown, Linden would be the closest player imo.

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Sure, Bure was shutdown a bit in the Finals...you know who was as well? Jonathan Toews, Evgeni Malkin off the top of my head recently. Yet, they both won the Conn Smythe.

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I wouldn't say Naslund was a "franchise" player, but he was elite for a few years. I think the only "franchise" player we've ever had is Bure. The Sedins are close.
IMO Luongo is more of a franchise player than the Sedins.

The Sedins have had a year each at an elite level. Luongo has played at an elite level consistently for over a decade.

The Sedins got the hardware in each of their high preforming seasons but Luongo has been at a similar level for a much longer period of time.

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Sure, Bure was shutdown a bit in the Finals...you know who was as well? Jonathan Toews, Evgeni Malkin off the top of my head recently. Yet, they both won the Conn Smythe.
Bure was also shutdown in the first round too then exploded in Game 7 and ripped up Dallas and Toronto, then got shutdown abit in the Finals with Tikkannen shadowing him. Toews was a monster for 3 rounds, Malkin was not shutdown at all imo Det had to focus solely on him and Talbot benefited. And it was Crosby who was shutdown like 2 straight years by Zetterberg/Lidstrom and it cost him the Conn Smythe.


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