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07-05-2012, 03:10 PM
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Not sure why Weise is getting so much love here, I thought he was pretty bad last year for Vancouver.

Inconsistent, not very physical, and a horrible fighter. You didn't even notice him most nights, and that's not what you want out of your bottom six.

Hopefully this is just a depth move for the Wolves.

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^ nearly all 4th liners aren't noticeable on a game-to-game basis... guys like Lapierre are usually 3rd liners. Even "elite" 4th liners like Campbell, Nolan, Carter, etc. you don't see them making an impact most of the time. But if they can at least be physical, not get burned in their own end and keep the puck deep on a nightly basis that's already more than enough.

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^ nearly all 4th liners aren't noticeable on a game-to-game basis... guys like Lapierre are usually 3rd liners. Even "elite" 4th liners like Campbell, Nolan, Carter, etc. you don't see them making an impact most of the time. But if they can at least be physical, not get burned in their own end and keep the puck deep on a nightly basis that's already more than enough.
That's how 4th liners get noticed, taking the body and those "grinding" type shifts down low.

IMO, Weise didn't even come close to doing that enough. I'll be very disappointed if he has a regular roster spot next season.

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Not sure why Weise is getting so much love here, I thought he was pretty bad last year for Vancouver.

Inconsistent, not very physical, and a horrible fighter. You didn't even notice him most nights, and that's not what you want out of your bottom six.

Hopefully this is just a depth move for the Wolves.
Because he did well for a 23 year old rookie and because he scored at the same pace as Hodgson in the AHL when he was only 6 months older. If we actually developed him in our system people would be attacking AV for ruining him and not giving him a chance instead of wishing he got waived.

Guys like Steve Pinizzotto and Aaron Volpatti weren't even in the AHL at his age, let alone producing the kind of numbers he was.

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Sure better than Bitz, Weise actually played pretty well in the playoffs, only had a couple shifts, but still. Him Lapps and Raymond together kept LA pinned in their zone and got some good shots and chances.

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HAHA.. too funny. But yeah, players like him are a dime a dozen. I can see the Canucks saying "see ya"

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I liked Weise last year, I felt he was our best fourth line option even though he shouldn't have seen playoff time. He's a building block and he'll keep building his game. The guy has ton of upside.

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Because he did well for a 23 year old rookie and because he scored at the same pace as Hodgson in the AHL when he was only 6 months older. If we actually developed him in our system people would be attacking AV for ruining him and not giving him a chance instead of wishing he got waived.

Guys like Steve Pinizzotto and Aaron Volpatti weren't even in the AHL at his age, let alone producing the kind of numbers he was.
this.

I don't think people realize how young the guy is.

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It's hilarious how different this thread would be if he had been drafted by the Canucks. People would be losing their **** about how Gillis is ruining everything for not having locked him up by now.

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Smart move and Gillis would understand given the circumstances that Wiese just wants to be assured a contract (or at least not locked in RFA forever). Worst case is it does make arbitration and he gets a crazy deal - Gillis walks away because he can cover the 4th line with what we have.

I'm confident this doesn't even get to arbitration, Wiese isn't that valuable and he knows it and he knows Gillis knows it. This move is more about certainty than anything else, this doesn't seem to be a bad blood style arbitration.


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Once a player has a certain # of games in the nhl (20-40 would be my criteria) whatever stat he's put up at a lower level becomes almost irrelevant. Based on what i've seen, weiss doesnt do anything particularly noteworthy for a 4th liner and his stats reflect this. If he's awarded a one way deal, then the test will be him clearing waivers - he def. Would imo.

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who does he think he is? Tanner Glass?

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If he's awarded a one way deal, then the test will be him clearing waivers - he def. Would imo.
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I am new to the forum and this is my first post. I have read this these forums for a couple years but never felt like making an account. That was until I found the Minecraft forum. Anyways I have been a Canuck fan for four years and have followed them religously since.

As for Dale Weise, I have not been impressed with him. When he first came he was hitting and standing up for teammates. As the year went one he seemed to get too comfortable. He would vanish most nights and provided very little offence or physical presense. I was more impressed with Volpatti short stint with the team. Our fourth line to begin the year was our most impressive line. Though I am sure Volpatti would go the same way as Dale Weise given enuff time. Jordin Tootoo would have been a perfect edition to our fourth line.

Just my two cents.

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I am new to the forum and this is my first post. I have read this these forums for a couple years but never felt like making an account. That was until I found the Minecraft forum. Anyways I have been a Canuck fan for four years and have followed them religously since.

As for Dale Weise, I have not been impressed with him. When he first came he was hitting and standing up for teammates. As the year went one he seemed to get too comfortable. He would vanish most nights and provided very little offence or physical presense. I was more impressed with Volpatti short stint with the team. Our fourth line to begin the year was our most impressive line. Though I am sure Volpatti would go the same way as Dale Weise given enuff time. Jordin Tootoo would have been a perfect edition to our fourth line.

Just my two cents.
i'm not really sure why people accept effective scoring, or effective defence, or goaltending as a thing that's inherently inconsistent, but then expect another line in the exact same sport to be consistent in their duties

no fourth line is consistent, ever. the kings 4th caught lightning in a bottle like the rest of the team. all you can expect from your 4th line on a consistent basis is that they don't get clowned on every time they go out there, and weise is decent at that. for what it's worth, so is volpatti

tootoo is being paid like a 3rd liner. do you want a 4th line of 2m+ players?

i'd fully welcome an upgrade on weise and volpatti, but to do that it's going to have to be a kid or a reclamation project if you dont want to pay them a lot more than they're going to have as an effect on the game. right now i'm not really sure there are many options

also the people who are upset with him going to arbitration, lol

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Because he did well for a 23 year old rookie and because he scored at the same pace as Hodgson in the AHL when he was only 6 months older. If we actually developed him in our system people would be attacking AV for ruining him and not giving him a chance instead of wishing he got waived.

Guys like Steve Pinizzotto and Aaron Volpatti weren't even in the AHL at his age, let alone producing the kind of numbers he was.
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this.

I don't think people realize how young the guy is.
Yeah, agreed.

Weise had some down stretches last year where he fell off a bit, but as an NHL rookie that's to be expected.

But he also did a lot of things well - showed flashes of legitimate skill for a bottom-6 guy, works hard, positionally sound defensively. With another year under his belt and now used to the NHL grind, I'd expect a big step forward next year. Like him as a player.

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Yeah, agreed.

Weise had some down stretches last year where he fell off a bit, but as an NHL rookie that's to be expected.

But he also did a lot of things well - showed flashes of legitimate skill for a bottom-6 guy, works hard, positionally sound defensively. With another year under his belt and now used to the NHL grind, I'd expect a big step forward next year. Like him as a player.
even as a veteran 4th line guy that's to be expected. these guys are on the 4th line because thats the best they are as players right now. if they could consistently be the best 4th line on the ice, they'd be 3rd line players and people would be complaining that they aren't consistently amazing 3rd liners (but would be good 4th liners). thats how hockey teams work

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Because he did well for a 23 year old rookie and because he scored at the same pace as Hodgson in the AHL when he was only 6 months older. If we actually developed him in our system people would be attacking AV for ruining him and not giving him a chance instead of wishing he got waived.

Guys like Steve Pinizzotto and Aaron Volpatti weren't even in the AHL at his age, let alone producing the kind of numbers he was.
not everyone that scored in the ahl can be productive in the nhl. if that were the case jason krog and mark mancari would be regulars. there is a step up from one league to the other and not everyone can make that step for whatever reason.

and talking about late blooming players like they never amount to anything kind of falls apart when we have burrows and garrison on the team.

just sayin'.

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not everyone that scored in the ahl can be productive in the nhl. if that were the case jason krog and mark mancari would be regulars. there is a step up from one league to the other and not everyone can make that step for whatever reason.

and talking about late blooming players like they never amount to anything kind of falls apart when we have burrows and garrison on the team.

just sayin'.
I don't even know where you're going with that. Weise did well as a rookie — he hit (I believe he was our 2nd or 3rd leading hitter amongst forwards, pro-rated), he fought, he held his own defensively, and he scored a highlight reel goal.

Mancari is a PP specialist in the AHL and that's why he can't crack the NHL. He's also one of the softest players around and a total liability defensively, even in the AHL. Krog? I don't see a comparison there...

There are different types of late blooming players. Volpatti is amongst the no-talent kind because he can't even produce in the AHL, let alone the NHL. Pinner at least has shown to be a capable player in the AHL. Volpatti has more in common with Hordichuk than with a useful NHL player like Lapierre.

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I am new to the forum and this is my first post. I have read this these forums for a couple years but never felt like making an account. That was until I found the Minecraft forum. Anyways I have been a Canuck fan for four years and have followed them religously since.

As for Dale Weise, I have not been impressed with him. When he first came he was hitting and standing up for teammates. As the year went one he seemed to get too comfortable. He would vanish most nights and provided very little offence or physical presense. I was more impressed with Volpatti short stint with the team. Our fourth line to begin the year was our most impressive line. Though I am sure Volpatti would go the same way as Dale Weise given enuff time. Jordin Tootoo would have been a perfect edition to our fourth line.

Just my two cents.
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Weise actually put up some decent offensive numbers at the AHL level. Last season was his rookie season in the NHL, and he's only 23. If he could find an offensive game at the NHL level, while playing with grit, he could be a good find for us.

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I really like Dale. He has very underrated speed and coupled with his body he can be an impactful player for the Canucks.

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He's a spare part. I mean that as no disrespect, but I hope he isn't a regular on our roster without injuries. Weise for grit/grind and Ebbett for a little finesse/scoring as our alternate forwards works great as far as I am concerned. Volpatti got a raw deal with injuries last year, and I hope for a good showing from him this year.

Ideally, our bottom six is:

Higgins-Centre(Schroeder? Schneider? Friesen?)-Hansen
Volpatti-Lapierre-Malhotra
Weise, Ebbett

Keep 'em competitive with Weise waiting for a chance to jump in.

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Weise is someone I really want the Canucks to keep.

While he may not be the best 4th liner right now, he is still young and just played his first full NHL season. I feel as though he can develop into a very good 4th liner, someone who can play hockey decently but also stand up for teammates and fight.

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