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Edmonton re-signs Devan Dubnyk (2 years, $3.5M per) & Jeff Petry (2 years, 1.75M per)

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07-05-2012, 07:54 PM
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There are backup goalies making more than Dubnyk. I'm okay with it for two years.

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so the oilers were tanking on purpose......
That's like saying the Canucks choke on purpose.

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Here's a list of some of the goalies that re-signed this year with their GAA and SV% in 2011/2012, and their cap hits 2012-2013 forward.

Name-------GAA-------SV%-------CAP HIT

C.Price------2.43------.916--------$6.5million
O.Pavelec---2.91------.906--------$3.9million
J.Quick------1.95------.929--------$5.8million
C.Schneider--1.96-----.937--------$4.0million
P.Rinne------2.39------.923--------$7.0million
D.Dubnyk----2.67------.914--------$3.5million

Dubey's contract actually isn't that bad.
...but all those goalies are considerably better than Dubnyk.

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That's like saying the Canucks choke on purpose.
no seriously... its obvious dubnyk had the better numbers so why split the games? one reason of course.

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Here's a list of some of the goalies that re-signed this year with their GAA and SV% in 2011/2012, and their cap hits 2012-2013 forward.

Name-------GAA-------SV%-------CAP HIT

C.Price------2.43------.916--------$6.5million
O.Pavelec---2.91------.906--------$3.9million
J.Quick------1.95------.929--------$5.8million
C.Schneider--1.96-----.937--------$4.0million
P.Rinne------2.39------.923--------$7.0million
D.Dubnyk----2.67------.914--------$3.5million

Dubey's contract actually isn't that bad.
i dont think people realize how solid a season dubnyk had last year, he played in 47 games, far more than rask or schneider and more than either of those players have ever started in one season in their careers, he had the worst defense in the league in front of him and he absolutely improved as the season went on...

put dubnyk in rask's or schneider's role on the B's or canucks and dubnyk likely performs the same... he's a young goalie who proved last year he has a lot of talent who hopefully will play into the contract and be a steal by the end of it (the same thing the canucks hope with schneider)

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DD will look better with better defense in front of him

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so the oilers were tanking on purpose......
To some degree, yeah, I think so and I've had spats with some of my fellow Oilers fans about this opinion.

It made no sense whatsoever to keep going back to Khabibulin the way he was piling up losses in 10/11 and 11/12 but Renney kept doing it anyway.

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...but all those goalies are considerably better than Dubnyk.
Most of them are, but that's not the point. He's getting fair value with his contract compared to other goalies.

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So if Dubnyk starts ~65 games this year, and wins around 35 is he still overpaid ?

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Most of them are, but that's not the point. He's getting fair value with his contract compared to other goalies.
Players don't get paid comparable salary just because they're playing the same position. There's a reason Kyle Wellwood doesn't make as much as Sidney Crosby even though they're both centres. Who cares what other goalies are getting paid if he hasn't earned it.

But good for Dubnyk and his agent. He got paid. Him and his agent sure don't care what we think.

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07-05-2012, 08:11 PM
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i dont think people realize how solid a season dubnyk had last year, he played in 47 games, far more than rask or schneider and more than either of those players have ever started in one season in their careers, he had the worst defense in the league in front of him and he absolutely improved as the season went on...

put dubnyk in rask's or schneider's role on the B's or canucks and dubnyk likely performs the same... he's a young goalie who proved last year he has a lot of talent who hopefully will play into the contract and be a steal by the end of it (the same thing the canucks hope with schneider)
I've seen all three and can confidently say that Schneider and Rask are far ahead of Dubnyk in terms of ability and talent.

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...but all those goalies are considerably better than Dubnyk.
Not if you want to go on save pct. Put a better team around that guy and watch the GAA drop.

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Not if you want to go on save pct. Put a better team around that guy and watch the GAA drop.
Pretty much. Sigh. His agent took a lot of ammunition to the negotiating table.

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Players don't get paid comparable salary just because they're playing the same position. There's a reason Kyle Wellwood doesn't make as much as Sidney Crosby even though they're both centres. Who cares what other goalies are getting paid if he hasn't earned it.
Wow really? What kind of argument is that? Read my previous post. That's why I put the stats up; as a comparable.

It's not complete but it's a good guide to see where he would fit in. Seeing how he performed vs. other goalies, we can judge if his contract is a good one.

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i dont think people realize how solid a season dubnyk had last year, he played in 47 games, far more than rask or schneider and more than either of those players have ever started in one season in their careers, he had the worst defense in the league in front of him and he absolutely improved as the season went on...

put dubnyk in rask's or schneider's role on the B's or canucks and dubnyk likely performs the same... he's a young goalie who proved last year he has a lot of talent who hopefully will play into the contract and be a steal by the end of it (the same thing the canucks hope with schneider)
You're looking at it through rose-tinted lenses. Dubnyk has no track record of performing under pressure in the NHL. He has only performed consistently behind a losing team that had already lost hope of playoff qualification. A lot of players can perform well under such conditions. That is why many loser teams start to win games late in the season. Lack of pressure makes it easy to play loose.

Dubnyk's contract can't turn into a steal. The Oilers are paying him handsomely for potential, so at this point they have to hope he can live up to his salary, which is far from guaranteed. But even if he does, the contract is up in two years and his status UFA. In other words, there is no payoff to the Oilers even if Dubnyk manages to live up to his salary. If you gamble, you need there to be a payoff. Otherwise it makes no sense.

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Most of them are, but that's not the point. He's getting fair value with his contract compared to other goalies.
Nope. Apart from Schneider who was stuck behind Luongo, all the goalies you listed are bona fide starting goaltenders in the NHL, several of them on playoff teams and with a track record of being capable of performing under pressure. Not to mention Quick and Rinne were pending UFAs and highly coveted. At this stage Dubnyk is nothing but an average RFA goalie who was given a king's ransom for no particular reason.

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bargain price is all I have to say about this thread

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Nice caphit on Petry, not so much on DD

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What's the caphits? Can't find it on TSN's UFA tracker and it's not on the thread name.

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Here's a list of some of the goalies that re-signed this year with their GAA and SV% in 2011/2012, and their cap hits 2012-2013 forward.

Name-------GAA-------SV%-------CAP HIT

C.Price------2.43------.916--------$6.5million
O.Pavelec---2.91------.906--------$3.9million
J.Quick------1.95------.929--------$5.8million
C.Schneider--1.96-----.937--------$4.0million
P.Rinne------2.39------.923--------$7.0million
D.Dubnyk----2.67------.914--------$3.5million

Dubey's contract actually isn't that bad.
Don't forget Brian Elliott 1.56 GAA-------.940sv%-------1.8 million

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Luongo - 5.3
Schneider - 4

Total salary for goalies: 9.3 Million

Edm:
Khabibulin - 3.75
Dubnyk - 3.5

Total salary for goalies: 7.25 Million

2 Million difference between them ....

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Nope. Apart from Schneider who was stuck behind Luongo, all the goalies you listed are bona fide starting goaltenders in the NHL, several of them on playoff teams and with a track record of being capable of performing under pressure. Not to mention Quick and Rinne were pending UFAs and highly coveted. At this stage Dubnyk is nothing but an average RFA goalie who was given a king's ransom for no particular reason.
I'll agree with you that Dubey may not be proven as other goalies. The last half of this past season, he was the starter and performed quite well.

What I was trying to show was that his contract isn't as bad as others are making it out to be.

Carey Price is a starter and heralded as a great goaltender. His career regular season GAA is 2.56 and SV% is .916 over the past 5 seasons. His cap hit is 6.5million.

Dubnyk's GAA is 2.85 and SV% is .910 over the past 3. His cap hit is 3.5million.

So does Carey Price deserve almost twice the amount of money?

To me Dubey's contract is fair.


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Who cares how much DD signs for compared to his relative talent, they've got a bunch of cap space it's doubtful they'll be spending for at least a couple years.

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Don't forget Brian Elliott 1.56 GAA-------.940sv%-------1.8 million
Elliot's is a complete steal. His agent must've been asleep. Blues were smart to get him signed before all these other numbers came out.

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i dont think people realize how solid a season dubnyk had last year, he played in 47 games, far more than rask or schneider and more than either of those players have ever started in one season in their careers, he had the worst defense in the league in front of him and he absolutely improved as the season went on...

put dubnyk in rask's or schneider's role on the B's or canucks and dubnyk likely performs the same... he's a young goalie who proved last year he has a lot of talent who hopefully will play into the contract and be a steal by the end of it (the same thing the canucks hope with schneider)
Woah, lets not get carried away here. In Rask's rookie year of 2009-2010, he started 39 games and relieved Thomas in 6 for a total of 45 games played. He posted a .931 save percentage, going 22-12-5 with 5 shutouts and a 1.97 goals against average.

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Elliot's is a complete steal. His agent must've been asleep. Blues were smart to get him signed before all these other numbers came out.
Elliot was garbage in Ottawa, garbage in Colorado, and played behind one of the best defensive teams in the NHL in St Louis.

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