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07-10-2012, 10:11 PM
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Your Expectations of Naz Kadri for the 2012-2013 season

my answer is in the title:

"recalled/assigned"

i have no idea where he fits on this team especially when Burke wants to save his job, and Randy Carlyle has a certain team he likes to play.

i think he might start with the Marlies and be the first or second (between him and Deschamps) call-up.

i think he's rather small for our top 6 and too disinterested in shutting down players on the 3rd line.

you can disagree all you want, but i want to know where you see him fitting in.

can he crack the top 6?
will RC let him play on the 3rd line?

what do you think?

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07-10-2012, 10:16 PM
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I'll say if he gets a good shot at being a top two line player around 40 points.


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07-10-2012, 10:27 PM
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Always looking for attention and controversy huh

And people always ***** about Nazem Kadri's size, but he plays the same game as Tyler Ennis, who is much smaller (5'9" 160lbs), but has still found success in the NHL. This past season, he was placed at centre between Drew Stafford and Marcus Foligno for the last 26 games of the season, and scored 27 pts. Big reason for their late season playoff push.

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I don't understand why people keep complaining about Kadri's size. His game doesn't involve crashing and banging, Kadri will never be a 6'5" behemoth, it's just who he is.

The perfect comparison to Kadri imo is Tyler Ennis. If Tyler Ennis has found success in the NHL, why can't Kadri?

They are very, very similar players. Ennis is also way smaller, he's 5'9" and only around 160 lbs. He's like a piece of paper compared to Kadri Kadri is 6'0" and weighs about 180 lbs IIRC.

Both rely on speed and skill to be successful and their games are dependent on that. Both have amazing hands and are pretty good playmakers. Nazem's skating has gotten a little worse, but with a bit of conditioning he'll be fine, he was a very quick and agile skater in junior and was even voted by the OHL coaches as the third best skater in the league.

Tyler Ennis has also played centre at the NHL level, and been pretty good at it. Everyone here talks about Kadri being put on the wing, but I see no reason why he can't play centre, if Tyler Ennis can do it. Ennis played the last 26 games or so centring Marcus Foligno and Drew Stafford, and was a huge reason for the Sabres late season playoff push.

Their stats have also been very similar throughout their careers before the NHL level.

Let's take a look:

Tyler Ennis
WHL 245gp 236pts, 0.96ppg (Final 2 seasons: 131 gp 176pts, 1.34 ppg) (Playoffs: 45GP, 35PTS, 0.77PPG)
AHL 69gp 65pts, 0.94ppg

Nazem Kadri
OHL 242gp 258pts, 1.07ppg, (Final 2 Seasons: 112gp 171pts,1.53ppg) (Playoffs: 55GP, 76PTS, 1.38PPG)
AHL 92gp 81pts, 0.88ppg (Playoffs: 11GP, 10 pts, 0.91ppg)

To date, Ennis has 92 pts in 140 NHL games, and has shown good progression. (Playoffs: 13GP, 8pts, 0.62PPG)

2009-2010: 10GP, 9pts, 0.9PPG (Playoffs: 6GP, 4pts, 0.66PPG)
2010-2011: 82GP, 49pts, 0.59PPG (Playoffs: 7GP, 4pts, 0.57PPG)
2011-2012: 48GP, 34pts, 0.70PPG

A key note though is that this past season, in the last 26 games, while centring Drew Stafford and Marcus Foligno, Tyler Ennis put up 27 pts in those 26 games.

He is highly skilled and talented, and has sweet hands and playmaking like Kadri.







If Tyler Ennis can succeed at 5'9" and 160 lbs, I don't see why Nazem Kadri can't be successful at his height and weight while possessing the same amount of skill (if not more) as Tyler Ennis. I also do not see why his size can hold him back from playing centre, even Claude Giroux is smaller.
Kadri and Ennis both possess insane amounts of skill and have amazing hands.

Give him a fair amount of time in the top six, and I think he'll be able to produce 40+ pts, similar to Tyler Ennis' first full season.

Carlyle seemed to have faith in him when he got called up for the one game against NJ, and he got time with Grabovski where he looked pretty good and scored a goal.


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Make or break for the kid me thinks.

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Up all season on the third line, 15 goals and 30 points.

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Centers kessel and lupul for all 82 games and win the scoring race with 132 points. Only person that comes close is kessel with 126 points

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grows to 6'7.

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i think they will fill his busted shoulder with titanium and he will come back lookin like jax!

kadri top 6 ftw 2013

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like everyone else says, HUGE season for kadri. i think he has what it takes to make the jump and play his ROOKIE season with the leafs next year which would have him put around 30 pts and 15 goals. The ''important'' thing is: will the fans be patient enough to let him have his rookie season where he will make some mistakes, not dominate like a top3 foward and score about 15 goals. that is a huge step in any player progress and if the fan base fall on him because he goes ''15 games without a goal'' or ''cause a turnover which led to a GA'' and everything, then we''ll look at it in a few years searching how his developpment went wrong. GOTTA BE PATIENT.
even if a player dominates the ahl, it doesnt mean he will instantly dominate the nhl. That season with 3rd line minutes is really important IMO. getzlav, perry and ryan are good examples, similar thrend ? randy carlyle and brian burke.

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give him top 6 minutes and it could be his breakout year.. wouldn't be surprised with 40-50 points from him

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Kadri won't make the leafs until any two of these four (connolly, bozak, lombardi and macarthur) are injured or removed from the leafs roster.

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Give him a full-time role and consistent top 6 minutes and he should produce. I'm interested to see what he can do if given that opportunity.

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07-10-2012, 11:21 PM
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yeah i mean there are plenty of players who aren't 6'7 and 250LBS that can play

speed and skill over strength

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Kadri won't make the leafs until any two of these four (connolly, bozak, lombardi and macarthur) are injured or removed from the leafs roster.
I agree. Wouldn't it be nice to have Lombardi's contract gone and Kadri playing in that position instead?

Either way all those listed players are in the final year of their deals. I don't think they'll be that difficult to trade.

Either Kadri is packaged in a deal for a Center or goaltender or he fights against the above mentioned forwards for a roster spot.

I Think the leafs are going to make 1 more major move involving a 3 for 1 type deal involving a roster player, draft pick, prospect to aquire a need. that will open up roster spots for guys like Frattin, Kadri, Colborne, etc.. not sure which gets the roster spot or who gets moved.

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expecting 30+ points. He hasn't been given a proper opportunity yet. Hopefully Carlyle makes room for him. Kid still has 70 point potential.

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Top 6 with the Marlies...

Career AHLer.

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Centers kessel and lupul for all 82 games and win the scoring race with 132 points. Only person that comes close is kessel with 126 points
I like the cut of your jib.

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It's time to see if this kid can play at the NHL . Unless he has a brutal camp i'd hand him a spot with some decent linemates and see what he can do for at least 40-50 games .

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Top 6 with the Marlies...

Career AHLer.
You have to be kidding.....

He will play and produce in the NHL ....I hope it is for the Leafs....a whole lot better than many current roster players.

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Ennis is far, far superior to Kadri. Ennis had hockey sense and on ice drive that is off the charts.

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You have to be kidding.....

He will play and produce in the NHL ....I hope it is for the Leafs....a whole lot better than many current roster players.
Agreed. Consistent 70+ point scorer would not surprise me in the slightest.

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I'm starting to think he will be dealt for a center, but I hope not. As a Leaf, I see him in a 3rd line winger role, and ready to move up the depth chart if he can buy into his assignment. I'd like to see him with Kulemin and Connolly on the 3rd line with JVR-Grabs-Frattin on the 2nd line.

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It'll be a tough battle for Kadri this season; we're extremely deep on the wings with Kessel, Lupul, JVR (I can't see him sticking at center), MacArthur, Kulemin, and Frattin all vying for a top 6 spot. This is going to be a big training camp / pre-season for him.

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Gets called up at trade deadline. Works the wing on line number three and impresses. Full time job in 2013~14.

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I don't think he's ready for a top 6 role and he doesn't fit well in the bottom 6.

I think he need another year with the marlies.

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