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07-05-2012, 05:28 PM
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I give it 60 seconds.

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So GM's didn't go for Komisarek for a #1 Center? I am SHOCKED! :/ I do not have a good feeling about this move but I hope I am wrong..

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07-05-2012, 05:33 PM
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Not really sure I like this, but I imagine that if he's not playing well at C after the first few games he'll just be shifted back to the wing.

Regardless, this makes things pretty interesting. Either Connolly or Bozak are likely gone (the other playing #3 C?) with McClement on the wing or #4 C? Or Grabo is shipped out for another solid winger? I wouldn't want to lose Grabo.

JVR playing C makes the plans pretty unclear.

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07-05-2012, 05:34 PM
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Guys, it's Carlyle helping Burkie out. The more the Leafs look like they don't "need" a #1 centre, the less they have to pay in a trade.

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Or glove high like Reimer?
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07-05-2012, 05:35 PM
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Not saying JVR for the HHOF but the last time we traded for a top 2 pick who was considered to be big talented but not physical it was Mats Sundin

Both played at least 3 seasons in the NHL since they last played C before they got to Toronto.

Both were considered best suited to the Wing

The difference from what I can see is 15 years and an opportunity.

Now maybe thats like trying to win the Lottery twice with the same numbers but he why not roll the dice esp since the first was acquired right before a lockout and the second during CBA negotiations


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07-05-2012, 05:37 PM
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We need him battling on the boards.... hopefully he goes back to wing.

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07-05-2012, 05:42 PM
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Not saying JVR for the HHOF but the last time we traded for a top 2 pick who was considered to be big talented but not physical it was Mats Sundin

Both played at least 3 seasons in the NHL since they last played C before they got to Toronto.

Both were considered best suited to the Wing

The difference from what I can see is 15 years and an opportunity.

Now maybe thats like trying to win the Lottery twice with the same numbers but he why not roll the dice esp since the first was acquired right before a lockout and the second during CBA negotiations
I like the enthusiasm, but let's not get crazy.

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07-05-2012, 05:43 PM
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This is what I'd say to Burke or whoever did this. What is this 1980? You don't just throw random players at centre cos they're big. Hope this is just an experiment, would be nice if it's a successful one but you don't do that on the 1st line C, maybe the 3rd.

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Not saying JVR for the HHOF but the last time we traded for a top 2 pick who was considered to be big talented but not physical it was Mats Sundin

Both played at least 3 seasons in the NHL since they last played C before they got to Toronto.

Both were considered best suited to the Wing

The difference from what I can see is 15 years and an opportunity.

Now maybe thats like trying to win the Lottery twice with the same numbers but he why not roll the dice esp since the first was acquired right before a lockout and the second during CBA negotiations
There is a pretty hugh difference in terms of talent between the two. Sundin was a PPG player when he joined.

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07-05-2012, 05:47 PM
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I like it.

I was watching some videos of JVR when we acquired him and I noticed how he made some pretty incredible passes. It's kinda like Kessel; everyone saw he had 36 goals in Boston, and assumed he couldn't pass. It turned out to be quite the opposite.

I think JVR has some underrated vision and passing ability. He was never given the chance to try his trade as a passer, and was simply expected to grind and score.

Maybe that's why he underperformed? His game is suited to be an Eric Lindros, but a Mats Sundin.

Food for thought.

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07-05-2012, 05:48 PM
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i think this little bit of info to the media and (most importantly) to the fans only keeps everyone calm. hard to imagine JVR centers Lupul and Kessel.

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i would think this might affect: Kadri, Colborne, and Bozonks.

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Most times when you move a player to centre, it doesn't work because they aren't comfortable or they simply don't want to dedicate all the time to learn the defensive side of the game. If you read this article: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/05...e-of-attention it shows that JVR seems to be taking it seriously at this point.

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“I have talked to him and he has asked for some video work.”
He seems to have taken to the challenge. Everything I know about JVR is that he is a guy that works out extremely hard. I think he might work there. He is very solid defensively and as long as he is dedicated, faceoffs can be worked on.

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i think carlyle saying this as just a simple message to burke to get him a #1 center. I am not so sure using JVR at center would be a good thing.

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I personally think the person who will steal that spot out of camp is probably Colborne.

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There is a pretty hugh difference in terms of talent between the two. Sundin was a PPG player when he joined.
With the best statistical season of his entire career under his belt already, as well.

Like was said before, the enthusiasm's good, just don't know if I'd start saying JVR and Sundin in the same sentence yet, haha

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This wont last long. He'll be back on the wing and paired with Grabo and Kuli for most of the year. I actually prefer this as it gives us more balanced 2 scoring lines.

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Not really sure I like this, but I imagine that if he's not playing well at C after the first few games he'll just be shifted back to the wing.

Regardless, this makes things pretty interesting. Either Connolly or Bozak are likely gone (the other playing #3 C?) with McClement on the wing or #4 C? Or Grabo is shipped out for another solid winger? I wouldn't want to lose Grabo.

JVR playing C makes the plans pretty unclear.
Well, JVR played center up until the NHL. Was drafted as a center. Fits the criteria of what the Leafs are looking for -- a big center that can play in the top 6. Makes perfect sense to me.

Certainly a better option than ________ .

Lupul JVR Kessel
MacArthur Grabo Kulemin
Kadri Bozak Frattin
Steckel McClemment Brown

Lombardi
Connolly

Steckel played LW with Connolly parts of the year -- only taking draws.

Having JVR handle the top line allows Grabo to play number 2 and Bozak number 3 -- where they should be.

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Well, JVR played center up until the NHL. Was drafted as a center. Fits the criteria of what the Leafs are looking for -- a big center that can play in the top 6. Makes perfect sense to me.

Certainly a better option than ________ .

Lupul JVR Kessel
MacArthur Grabo Kulemin
Kadri Bozak Frattin
Steckel McClemment Brown

Lombardi
Connolly

Steckel played LW with Connolly parts of the year -- only taking draws.

Having JVR handle the top line allows Grabo to play number 2 and Bozak number 3 -- where they should be.
Or we deal Bozak and throw Connolly in the three spot?

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I personally think the person who will steal that spot out of camp is probably Colborne.
My guess would be Kadri, but I could see either of them taking over the 1C role by the trade deadline. Both guys had rougher seasons than people were hoping for because of their injuries. I think the improvement's we're going to see out of these guys is going to be tremendous -- Night-and-day, compared to what people seem to be expecting to see after this past season. I'm looking forward to these two showing us that the way they were playing to start the year was no fluke.

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Or we deal Bozak and throw Connolly in the three spot?
I'd prefer Bozak there, but he does probably hold more value in a trade, so I suppose if it's looked at that way it might not be so bad. But if I'm choosing the guy I want to be on the team, it's Bozak 10/10 times.

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Might as well test it out during training camp and the preseason. I really can't see it sticking for the regular season though; if you're going center the top line, you better be able to take face-offs.

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Well, JVR played center up until the NHL. Was drafted as a center. Fits the criteria of what the Leafs are looking for -- a big center that can play in the top 6. Makes perfect sense to me.

Certainly a better option than ________ .

Lupul JVR Kessel
MacArthur Grabo Kulemin
Kadri Bozak Frattin
Steckel McClemment Brown

Lombardi
Connolly

Steckel played LW with Connolly parts of the year -- only taking draws.

Having JVR handle the top line allows Grabo to play number 2 and Bozak number 3 -- where they should be.
This is exactly what I'd like our forward lines to be at this point (hope we add some more pieces), except I'd maybe try and sign Winnik to put on 4th line LW.

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Steckel and McClement have roster spots in the 3 & 4 spot as I see it. Both strong on faceoffs and good defensive centers. I don't see Bozak or Connolly fitting in the bottom 6 because neither of them are great on the PK.

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