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07-05-2012, 08:17 PM
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Schenn should have been given a shot at center.

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07-05-2012, 08:18 PM
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Whats most interesting is that it makes Lupul the primary setup man of the line as both JvR and Kessel are scorers.

How many lines in the NHL feature a winger as the playmaker?
TBay maybe?

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07-05-2012, 08:29 PM
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Would be really funny if he flourishes at center and becomes at least a 60 point player.
It won't take much flourishing between Kessel and Lupul, if Bozak (and I love the guy, so I say this w/ all due respect) can get 50+ points with those two, 60 points is definately not out of JVR's reach.

Faceoffs is a bit of a concern, but if Grabo managed to work his way up to the 50% mark in 4 years, I think JVR will manage it.

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07-05-2012, 08:33 PM
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Boys!

Lupul-jvr-kessel

Are you kidding me? Thats a first line!

Add in grabo, kulemin, MacArthur, bozak, Connolly, Lombardi, frattin, and kadri as secondary scoring, goals shouldn't be a problem. Especially when you consider phaneuf, gunnarsson, gardiner, franson, and liles are all capable of moving the puck (not to mention Reilly soon) we have a potential above average attack.

Also, mcclement is finally a 3 center that we've been looking for , steckle is a face off specialist and komarov and brown will provide some sand paper.

It may all come down to positioning on team d and the ability of reimer to bounce back to determine if this is a playoff team.

That is unless burkie makes a trade haha

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07-05-2012, 08:36 PM
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I don't understand the backlash either. it's not like they plan on moving a D man to center.
Didn't you hear? We are moving Rielly to center. Great playmaker who has offensive instincts, can skate extremely well and is good at defense.

On a more serious note, they would be trying it at training camp and during preseason, why not try it out. I'm sure all the centers and possible centers will get a chance with Kessel and Lupul, just like I'm sure we may try line combinations sometimes of something like Kadri-Lombardi-Kessel. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. If it does work, great. No harm will come from trying it out. I still think Burke will be trying to get a #1 center though and the possibility of JVR as our #1 center will not stop him from trying to get an actual current #1 center.

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07-05-2012, 08:41 PM
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I could see it happening, kid has an awesome work ethic. Read in an article in the Globe and Mail that he is trying to get to 225 or 230 for camp.

This move means that Kadri will be a winger?
Likely. I still think Kadri can be a very good at the center spot but I am not sure if it will happen. I still hope it is the case as he can make the same transition as a lot of center in the NHL, Backes, Couture, Giroux and so on.

Realistically I'd see both Ashton + Colborne working in the AHL to bring out more offense.

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07-05-2012, 08:51 PM
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A line of Lupul-JVR-Kessel would be fantastic in the offensive zone....and a disaster in the defensive zone. If JVR makes a seamless transition to center, Lupul should be replaced on that line with a more defensive player like Kulemin.

However, I don't expect him to last at center. 3 seasons pro and only a few faceoffs taken.

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07-05-2012, 08:52 PM
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I just hope if it doesn't go well that he doesn't lose his confidence cause the media might rip him a new one. If it works then our problems are solved for now up-front.

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07-05-2012, 08:57 PM
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as of right now JVR i guess is our #1 c

but goes back to the wing when we trade for one

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07-05-2012, 08:58 PM
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I just hope if it doesn't go well that he doesn't lose his confidence cause the media might rip him a new one. If it works then our problems are solved for now up-front.
If it doesn't work I don't think we will see it happen in the regular season. I hope the media doesn't rip apart the leafs during preseason games and their scrimmages during practices...but knowing the media, probably will.

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07-05-2012, 08:58 PM
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It doesn't mean he will be successful either but just that the history suggest that the odds are against him.
There have been numerous players who started on the wing in the NHL but became C`s as they gained experience.

C is a more demanding defensive role and requires more stamina and strength... Hence young players need to develop and gain experience before being capable of handling the role.

JVR is now 23 and is a big body who skates very well.

It`s not like it`s some other universe for a forward to go from wing to Center.

The main differences are of course general D zone coverage and breaking out from the D zone includes more hitting lanes with speed and vision than moving pucks from the boards etc.
Also he would have a slight adjustment on the back check and his play without the puck.

The fact that he is highly skilled and willing to work at learning this should give people high hopes.

Other than that, in reality the forward position is very similar.

Neutral zone re-groups often see wing and Center cross with speed so he will still get his chance to take it wide with speed.

In the offensive zone, all 3 positions get equal opportunity to work the boards and cycle game. There is very little difference between any forward position with O zone possession.

Often forwards with different skill sets play slightly different to use their strengths. It`s more about linemates creating chemistry to know what their linemates tendencies are and work with it


As for face-offs. They aren`t some god given talent. He can work on it and become respectable.


Reading a lot of the quotes who act like it`s impossible for a player with JVR`s ability to move from wing to C as a 23 year old are ridiculous.

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07-05-2012, 09:03 PM
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so I guess we're not trading for a 1C
This is Carlyle's plan with the roster we have now. Burke may still have something else in mind still.

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07-05-2012, 09:09 PM
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A line of Lupul-JVR-Kessel would be fantastic in the offensive zone....and a disaster in the defensive zone. If JVR makes a seamless transition to center, Lupul should be replaced on that line with a more defensive player like Kulemin.

However, I don't expect him to last at center. 3 seasons pro and only a few faceoffs taken.
Their D coverage drill will consist of lining up to glove bump the guys on the bench after they score...

If JVR works out at center, it's a home run. More likely the announcement coincides with a negotiation for a center in a trade...

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07-05-2012, 09:11 PM
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This just shows how much we need a top line centerman..

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07-05-2012, 09:12 PM
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Your not a fan of giving the guy a chance to play centre, who played the position his entire career until entering a team that has always been extremely deep down the middle? He was drafted as a centre, 2nd overall. I know there is a huge learning curve from College to NHL, but it would fill a big hole if he could pull it off.

Carlyle said he'd start there at training camp, I expect that if he doesn't seem worthy he will be quickly moved to the wing. No harm no foul.
Eh, he played a mix of wing and centre in college, if anything he played wing more.

Having seen JVR play against us and in the playoffs, as well as watching some footage online, he seems like the kind of guy who's better when he's set up, rather than being the playmaker.

As I said before, I can't see this working too well, but if it does it'll be a pleasant and welcome surprise no doubt.

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07-05-2012, 09:14 PM
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There have been numerous players who started on the wing in the NHL but became C`s as they gained experience.

C is a more demanding defensive role and requires more stamina and strength... Hence young players need to develop and gain experience before being capable of handling the role.

JVR is now 23 and is a big body who skates very well.

It`s not like it`s some other universe for a forward to go from wing to Center.

The main differences are of course general D zone coverage and breaking out from the D zone includes more hitting lanes with speed and vision than moving pucks from the boards etc.
Also he would have a slight adjustment on the back check and his play without the puck.

The fact that he is highly skilled and willing to work at learning this should give people high hopes.

Other than that, in reality the forward position is very similar.

Neutral zone re-groups often see wing and Center cross with speed so he will still get his chance to take it wide with speed.

In the offensive zone, all 3 positions get equal opportunity to work the boards and cycle game. There is very little difference between any forward position with O zone possession.

Often forwards with different skill sets play slightly different to use their strengths. It`s more about linemates creating chemistry to know what their linemates tendencies are and work with it


As for face-offs. They aren`t some god given talent. He can work on it and become respectable.


Reading a lot of the quotes who act like it`s impossible for a player with JVR`s ability to move from wing to C as a 23 year old are ridiculous.
I never said impossible. I said the odds are against it.

Kessel tried and failed if you recall.
Benn on the Stars will make the switch this year and he has been groomed for it (practicing faceoff and learning the game). The biggest adjustment/skill to pick up for JVR is faceoffs. And he is years behind the game now. Can he be successful, sure but the odds don't suggest he will be.

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07-05-2012, 09:15 PM
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This just shows how much we need a top line centerman..
This is Carlyle's subtle jab at Burke to make a move. I don't believe that JVR will ever play C again. I could be wrong though.

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Their D coverage drill will consist of lining up to glove bump the guys on the bench after they score...

If JVR works out at center, it's a home run. More likely the announcement coincides with a negotiation for a center in a trade...
Made me laugh, thanks

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07-05-2012, 09:23 PM
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Schenn should have been given a shot at center.
With his speed and playmaking he could have really been something.

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07-05-2012, 09:27 PM
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I don't see why some are so concerned about this. It's not like his name is permanently marked in the spot. We need an upgrade on Bozak and JVR could possibly be that upgrade (assuming that no trade is made for an actual centre). If it doesn't work, Carlyle will probably throw Bozak back in there or perhaps Colbourne may graduate and get a spot if he has a great showing at camp.

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07-05-2012, 09:32 PM
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I never said impossible. I said the odds are against it.

Kessel tried and failed if you recall.
Benn on the Stars will make the switch this year and he has been groomed for it (practicing faceoff and learning the game). The biggest adjustment/skill to pick up for JVR is faceoffs. And he is years behind the game now. Can he be successful, sure but the odds don't suggest he will be.
Kessel doesn`t like the traffic at Center when breaking out
He doesn`t want to grind in the D zone
He thrives under isolating the opposition on the wing and using his explosive speed and talent.
He is quite a different player than JVR


Sure I agree that face-offs will need to be worked on. But by no means are they some god given talent that can only be learned by few....He is a big guy, with a couple good teachers in Steckel and Bozak. If there is any skill that can be learned to at least a respectable level.....it`s face-offs

The fact that you seem absolutely convinced the biggest hurdle is face-offs is ridiculous.
I don`t even know where to start with that comment. Kind of shows your real knowledge of the game, or you just enjoy hating and trolling

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07-05-2012, 09:52 PM
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This would be a smart move. At least to try it. I can picture JVR having success at centre. I think his gamesuits the position well.

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who knows, he could kill it

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JVR will start camp as a centre.
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This is Carlyle's subtle jab at Burke to make a move. I don't believe that JVR will ever play C again. I could be wrong though.
I am sure you are

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