Go look down the threads and read the statistical analysis thread. The biggest problem for Buff was that Enstrom was away from him for almost 20 games.
Trade him and Hainsey to Chicago at the Deadline......For wait for it........2013 1 st and 4 th round pick for Buff and 2014 2nd and 3 rd pick for Hainsy.......
Am I the only one who thinks the Jets are deeper at forward than they are on D this year. They can't afford to move a top4 D man at this point.
nope i am in that boat.
Buff will only be expendable when we A) sign a dman [we're not likely to get one as good as him for his contract so that seems like a pointless option] or B) Bogosian steps up to take the #1 RHD Spot and Trouba steps up to fill the 2nd RHD spot.
Option A seems pointless and Option B is at least 2 seasons away ( more likely 4).
I don't want Postma, Redmond, or Stuart playing more then sheltered 3rd line minutes for at least another year either so I'm against trading Buff for depth reasons, not to mention I think he is horribly undervalued by some fans do to his "memorable" failures, which tends to blow them out of proportion.
If we WERE to trade Buff this year, I'd want a lesser NHL dman this year ( Someone at least as good as hainsy, preferably better) and good prospect back, not one high quality forward.
Buff will only be expendable when we A) sign a dman [we're not likely to get one as good as him for his contract so that seems like a pointless option] or B) Bogosian steps up to take the #1 RHD Spot and Trouba steps up to fill the 2nd RHD spot.
Option A seems pointless and Option B is at least 2 seasons away ( more likely 4).
I don't want Postma, Redmond, or Stuart playing more then sheltered 3rd line minutes for at least another year either so I'm against trading Buff for depth reasons, not to mention I think he is horribly undervalued by some fans do to his "memorable" failures, which tends to blow them out of proportion.
If we WERE to trade Buff this year, I'd want a lesser NHL dman this year ( Someone at least as good as hainsy, preferably better) and good prospect back, not one high quality forward.
Stop answering for me!
I think one of Postma or Redmond could fill second spot in 2-3 years IF they develop to their full upside... hopefully one can because I don't see Trouba there (unsheltered top QoC minutes) for another 4 years at least.
I literally laughed when I saw the topic title as the most recently posted topic on the main board and felt the need to come in here and make sure you were all aware of my reaction.
I'm a Jets fan and I thought the same way...
If Byfuglien and Enstrom can stay together for the greater part of the year, which statistically is when they were better, then I have no problem keeping Buff here, and would rather him than Kane.
As of last year it's their D that needs the most improvement, and if he can (hopefully) make smarter decisions, which he had more of towards the end of the year, then I think he's a great asset due to his size, and the mould that TNSE wants to make.
Am I the only one who thinks the Jets are deeper at forward than they are on D this year. They can't afford to move a top4 D man at this point.
Yes, we do have forward depth. Though an upgrade in size, youth and skill would be nice, too. Jets are terribly thin at RW, though I agree, moving Buff solely for a forward does leave a BIG hole in our top 4.
I would say Buff is sticking around for a couple of years, though when Trouba is ready, I think he'll be moved.
Yes, we do have forward depth. Though an upgrade in size, youth and skill would be nice, too. Jets are terribly thin at RW, though I agree, moving Buff solely for a forward does leave a BIG hole in our top 4.
I would say Buff is sticking around for a couple of years, though when Trouba is ready, I think he'll be moved.
Hahah big.... lol
Our D will come a long way if all (or even some) of our top 4 play more than the 56-66 games they dressed for.
Am I the only one who thinks the Jets are deeper at forward than they are on D this year. They can't afford to move a top4 D man at this point.
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Originally Posted by Grind
nope i am in that boat.
Buff will only be expendable when we A) sign a dman [we're not likely to get one as good as him for his contract so that seems like a pointless option] or B) Bogosian steps up to take the #1 RHD Spot and Trouba steps up to fill the 2nd RHD spot.
Option A seems pointless and Option B is at least 2 seasons away ( more likely 4).
I don't want Postma, Redmond, or Stuart playing more then sheltered 3rd line minutes for at least another year either so I'm against trading Buff for depth reasons, not to mention I think he is horribly undervalued by some fans do to his "memorable" failures, which tends to blow them out of proportion.
If we WERE to trade Buff this year, I'd want a lesser NHL dman this year ( Someone at least as good as hainsy, preferably better) and good prospect back, not one high quality forward.
Agree with both of your guys.
Buff has his warts, but he also brings a lot to the table. Trading him right now would create a bigger problem then it would solve unless we added to him and got a better defenseman in return.
I for one and not ready to give up on Buff after watching his game change throughout the season and hearing Noel say that Buff was on board with the coaching staff going into next year. Let's see what both Buff and Toby can do next year. Both seem to have their detractors, but both could come out and be much better next year.
I honestly think we should trade Antropov and thorburn for Crosby and Malken. Let's at least try to get them
Although your trade proposal is obvious sarcasm, you should make sure to always use the sarcasm emoticon. I didn't the other day when I proposed buff+3rd for Stamkos+1st (obvious sarcasm) and had some regulars on here jump all over me for it?
Totally agree. I hear some much about this magical kool-aid, yet I haven't seen TNSE come out on many issues and express their POV, in fact TNSE is notorious for withholding the Kool-aid.
Don't you guys know there is a Kool Aid tap right at the statue of Timothy Eaton????
I stop by there every week for a drink of TNSE Koolaid - tastes great!
Here are some trades I'd try to execute to move buff:
Buff+2nd for Marc staal
Buff+1st for Matt Duchene
Buff+1st or 2nd for Bobby Ryan
Buff+ scheifele + 1st for Tyler Seguin
Buff for Micheal Granlund
Buff for Travis Hamonic
Buff+ Scheilele+? pick for Logan Couture
Buff + scheifele + 3rd for Dougie Hamilton (and we could have just taken him straight up instead of
Scheifele)
There may be a couple more. But that's what I deem my "semi-realistic wish list for Dustin Byfuglien. And if you haven't guessed by now, scheifele doesn't blow my hair back either.
Here are some trades I'd try to execute to move buff:
Buff+2nd for Marc staal
Buff+1st for Matt Duchene
Buff+1st or 2nd for Bobby Ryan
Buff+ scheifele + 1st for Tyler Seguin
Buff for Micheal Granlund
Buff for Travis Hamonic
Buff+ Scheilele+? pick for Logan Couture
Buff + scheifele + 3rd for Dougie Hamilton (and we could have just taken him straight up instead of
Scheifele)
There may be a couple more. But that's what I deem my "semi-realistic wish list for Dustin Byfuglien. And if you haven't guessed by now, scheifele doesn't blow my hair back either.
I am very excited that you aren't running the team. Most of these trades look like train wrecks. You repeatedly have the wrong team adding.
I said before that I think trading Buff at this point would be a bad move, especially if you trade him for players that could be had far cheaper. Like him or not, Buff is a 1st pairing D and one of the best offensive D men in the league. He would hold HUGE value if traded.
I am very excited that you aren't running the team. Most of these trades look like train wrecks. You repeatedly have the wrong team adding.
I said before that I think trading Buff at this point would be a bad move, especially if you trade him for players that could be had far cheaper. Like him or not, Buff is a 1st pairing D and one of the best offensive D men in the league. He would hold HUGE value if traded.
So it sounds like you are saying that I under-estimated Buffs value? Okay, weather you want to trade him or not, throw me a couple of buff trades that YOU think are fair value.
So it sounds like you are saying that I under-estimated Buffs value? Okay, weather you want to trade him or not, throw me a couple of buff trades that YOU think are fair value.
I will not as I don't think it would be wise to trade him and I find hypothetical trades about players that aren't known to be on the trade block to be a waste of time.
