Staal would be a very good partner for Pietrangelo, but I think we will want to target a more 2-way defender if Pietrangelo ever goes down with an injury. Staal won't be moved anytime soon either.
Hey guys, so everyone in the league knows you guys are stacked at centre; I know most of you will say "they can be put on the wing, so we don't have a problem", but I've noticed you've recently locked up Backes and Oshie to long term deals. So in the slightest chance would he be available? Please don't say, "no, nothing, were not trading him." I'm just saying, if he were to be traded, what would you guys be looking for from us (being the leafs that is)? What is your organizational needs?
We're not really stacked at center, we're stacked on the wings. Sure Oshie and McDonald can play center but they are better on the wing.
We really need Berglund or else it'd be a big hole at #2 C for us, so I know this isn't the answer you want but I honestly do not want anything from the Leafs that you would realistically give up for him.
Oshie is a winger and in no way affects the availability of Berglund. We actually went into the offseason looking for another center so I don't think we are as stacked as people think at center.
Thank you for the info. I know Dougie Armstrong has called on several former Stars as STL GM so I wouldn't be surprised to see Morrow at some point in Blues uniform.
Maybe it'll be a rental at the deadline. Polak doesn't make a ton of sense though, and I see that now.
There also has to be a balance in the cost of players coming and going to fit the budget, so any case where he'd be shopped it'd have to be for another bargain talent. That's the point where trade value and player value get into a major grey area that a lot of people don't want to hear when it comes to Blues proposals on the main board.
Hey guys, so everyone in the league knows you guys are stacked at centre; I know most of you will say "they can be put on the wing, so we don't have a problem", but I've noticed you've recently locked up Backes and Oshie to long term deals. So in the slightest chance would he be available? Please don't say, "no, nothing, were not trading him." I'm just saying, if he were to be traded, what would you guys be looking for from us (being the leafs that is)? What is your organizational needs?
Hopefully people can be patient, but about once a week a Toronto fan makes a statement like this about the Blues' centers (usually on the main trade board). The Blues are actually THIN at center. Most likely Steen is going to be converted to center for the 3rd line this season.
The following players are not centers at this time (even though various websites might list them as centers):
Oshie, Steen, McDonald (yup). Did I forget anyone?
The Blues would do well to get another center of Berglund's caliber to compete with him for the 2/3 spots, obtained maybe by trading one of the depth wingers. But that's a secondary consideration to getting a top pairing defenseman.
This gives Petro a sick defensive partner and Backlund has really good potential to be a #2 or even #1 centre in the near future to replace Berglund. Matt Stajan is a good pressure player that can be a 2nd or 3rd line centre.
And to be fair to Calgary it's only just to give them a conditional 2nd round pick in case there is a lock out and Bergie and Shattenkirk don't end up signing with Calgary after the lockout.
We're downgrading with that trade. Shatty, in my opinion is every bit as good if not better than JBo, and certainly much cheaper. Bergie is much better than Backlund and Matt Stajan and a pick don't justify downgrading at the other two positions. At this point, Bartschi and Gio are the only Flames I would be interested in trading for. Iggy's great, but they'd want the moon and the stars for him(rightfully so IMO), but I just don't want the Blues to take that kind of a risk with an older winger. We have plenty of wingers.
This gives Petro a sick defensive partner and Backlund has really good potential to be a #2 or even #1 centre in the near future to replace Berglund. Matt Stajan is a good pressure player that can be a 2nd or 3rd line centre.
And to be fair to Calgary it's only just to give them a conditional 2nd round pick in case there is a lock out and Bergie and Shattenkirk don't end up signing with Calgary after the lockout.
That is just awful. That trade makes the Blues a much worse team now and in the future.
This gives Petro a sick defensive partner and Backlund has really good potential to be a #2 or even #1 centre in the near future to replace Berglund. Matt Stajan is a good pressure player that can be a 2nd or 3rd line centre.
And to be fair to Calgary it's only just to give them a conditional 2nd round pick in case there is a lock out and Bergie and Shattenkirk don't end up signing with Calgary after the lockout.
That is just really, really, really bad. We wouldn't give a late first and a mid-prospect for Bouwmeester at the draft, so no way in hell do we give any roster player of any type of significance.
I would be mildly interested in acquiring just Backlund for the #3C spot... but if these Bouwmeester "proposals" are any indication, Calgary('s fanbase) would expect a first-round pick and a solid prospect for him, and that ain't happening.
No amount of picks in the world would make that trade make sense for the Blues. We'd be adding salary while becoming a much worse team in the process. Please stop with this Backlund and JBo for Shatty and Bergie, I don't even think most Flames fans would think that's even.
CGY trades:
-Boumeester
-Backlund
-Babchuck
-2013 3rd & 2014 2nd
- conditional 2013 1st( if we make the conference finals)
STL trades:
-Berglund
-Shattenkirk
-conditional 2013 2nd
Berglund and Shattenkirk are just simply not available. I personally dod not see any package the Flames could ever make that would make me move them. The Blues have 2 top 2 centers trading one creates a huge hole. The Blues have 3 RH defenseman again trading one would create a huge hole. There is no deal to be made give up.
No way does Babchuk and a few picks make up for the huge difference in the downgrade of talent in this trade. Also the "conditional 1st if we make the finals" is complete garbage. This team would be so much worse, that we may not even make the playoffs, let alone the WCF. Shattenkirk is already better than JBo, costs half as much, and at the age of 22 has a chance to be an elite defender by the time he hits 26-27. Think Rafalski
Berglund is very inconsistent, but when he's on he can be dominant. Backlund would be a decent piece as a 3rd line center, but he is much worse than our internal options of Mac, Steen, Oshie and Schwartz(mentioned by Hitch a month ago, I don't think he will play as a center). Backlund has woefully underperformed(just don't ask Flames fans, they still think he will become a 1st line center) he may start creeping into bust territory if he doesn't have a large jump in production this season. His career high is 25 pts. That's terrible. The only reason I would want him on this team, is he still has room for improvement and Hitch might be able to get him over that hump. I don't think I would even trade Dags for him, Dags has at least proven he can score in this league. If we trade for Backlund, I would only move McRae and a 3rd for him, that's it.
Not only does this trade make the Blues a LOT worse, it also increases our payroll. Just awful all around. Please stop with these proposals, they just keep getting worse.
CGY trades:
-Boumeester
-Backlund
-Babchuck
-2013 3rd & 2014 2nd
- conditional 2013 1st( if we make the conference finals)
STL trades:
-Berglund
-Shattenkirk
-conditional 2013 2nd
This seems okay, but there needs to be some tweaking. Perhaps another third from Calgary as third round picks almost always balance out otherwise unbalanced proposals.
