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07-15-2012, 02:35 PM
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Garrison is a natural left shot defenseman, not right, and should not be pencilled in to play with Edler. Instead he should be competing against Ballard for the left shot 3rd pairing.

The Canucks are very strong on left shot D's, but as long as the Canucks defense is weak on right shot D's, they cannot be considered a top 5 defense. Address the hole on the right side though and the Canuck defense immediately jumps to top 3 in the NHL.

Though it would be nice to acquire a true #1 D, to be a top three NHL defense, all the Canucks need is to acquire a legit #4 right side defenseman to completment Edler. Someone like Derek Morris would do it without costing the Canucks the rediculous overpayments as what some fans want to give up for Weber. For depth, I'd love to add Cody Goloubev or Alex Petrovic. Again neither of these players would reequire overpayment and the Canucks have tradable players which those player's teams could use to improve.
Although Garrison shoots left, he played on the right side of Campbell this season so I'm sure he'll play on the right and has no problem with it at all.

Just because a player shoots left, doesn't mean he always plays on the left side.

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07-15-2012, 02:59 PM
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Fun fact: Dan Cloutier was parlayed for Steve Bernier, who in turn was parlayed for Keith Ballard.

I wasn't sure where to put this but I found it funny that everything that we've gotten for Cloutier has had just as much a hard time in Vancouver as he did.

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07-15-2012, 04:11 PM
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Although Garrison shoots left, he played on the right side of Campbell this season so I'm sure he'll play on the right and has no problem with it at all.

Just because a player shoots left, doesn't mean he always plays on the left side.
From what I saw, Garrison mainly played on his opposite side when he was on the power play or when the team didn't have a healthy right hand shot to handle that roster spot. On the power play it is usual that most defensemen play on their opposite side. That is to box the penalty killers in and to be in position to pass or shoot rather than to use the boards when trying to defend or penitrate the offensive zone

You are right that many teams have defensemen that naturally are left side shots playing on their wrong side. For the most part, that is due to a shortage of right hand shot quality defensemen.

Those defensemen lose one to two seconds stopping the puck and transfering it to the other side in order to shoot or pass. In the past this wasn't a serious problem, but due to the increased skill of today's players and the subsequent increase in overall speed of the game, such a delay gives most checkers and goalies time to react. Effectively in today's game using a top four defenseman on his wrong side is equivilant to having a top six defenseman on his correct side. All just for being a second or two slower then if used properly. That is the reason AV has been so insistant on balancing his defense equally with three left and three right hand shot defensemen. As pointed out earlier in this thread, the Canuck's game relies on speed and transition. That second or two is critical much more to the Canucks than it would be to a team like the Devils or the Kings.

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07-15-2012, 04:21 PM
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that bottom 2 hurts to look at
They are both very capable top 4 d-man but okay.

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that bottom 2 hurts to look at
Yes, it hurts to look at a young rookie who was able to force himself into the lineup (not once, but two years in a row) with his impressive, steady play.

What a catastrophe he is.

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The only steady reliable defenseman we have is Hamhuis, both Bieksa and Edler are so inconsistent it's not even funny. Garrison is an unknown to me so I won't pass judgement on him. Ballard has been both good and bad, unless AV lets him play it'll be more of the same. Tanev moves the puck well but pretty much nothing else!

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07-19-2012, 06:08 AM
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Panthers are still up there even without Garrison. Guds and Kulikov a year older with playoff experience. Trio of young guys in: Ellerby,Robak and Petrovic that have top 4 pairing potential in next year or so plus addition of Kuba. They are 8-9 Dmen deep with a true #1 in Campbell and Guds/Kulikov becoming that in the future.

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07-19-2012, 09:08 AM
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From what I saw, Garrison mainly played on his opposite side when he was on the power play or when the team didn't have a healthy right hand shot to handle that roster spot.
Garrison wasn't acquired to handle PP duties (though I suppose he might get some) though.

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Garrison wasn't acquired to handle PP duties (though I suppose he might get some) though.
I think he was. I mean we only had 2 defensemen the team actually liked using on the PP last year, and we lost one.

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I think he was. I mean we only had 2 defensemen the team actually liked using on the PP last year, and we lost one.
MAG

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I think he was. I mean we only had 2 defensemen the team actually liked using on the PP last year, and we lost one.
With two pairings that can - on paper - play solid defensively; I'm thinking we can afford to have a PP specialist type further down the depth chart.

edit: and no, I don't mean MAG

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MAG
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With two pairings that can - on paper - play solid defensively; I'm thinking we can afford to have a PP specialist type further down the depth chart.

edit: and no, I don't mean MAG
Bodes well for Connauton if true.

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Well played.



Bodes well for Connauton if true.
Really looking forward to seeing the state of this kid's game now. He seems to be getting so close and should be involved in a few call ups this year.

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Really looking forward to seeing the state of this kid's game now. He seems to be getting so close and should be involved in a few call ups this year.
Yeah, given the amount of ice time they gave MAG, and still managed to win games, there's no reason they can't give Connauton some time this year. Maybe D zone-wise he's not fully ready yet, but he'll be better than MAG was.

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