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07-06-2012, 12:10 PM
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What Nashville Needs to Do With Weber

Article by Kevin Allen, good read.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...act/56061542/1

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Poile needs to handle with the Shea Weber situation the way that Shero dealt with the Jordan Staal situation: You offer the player the best contract extension you can afford. If he doesn't accept, you trade him, preferably to a place he wants to play.
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It certainly isn't difficult to determine what to offer Weber: It's the Sidney Crosby contract of $104.4 million over 12 years.
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The Predators can't ride the waves with Weber's contract negotiations the way they did with Suter last season. It's too disruptive to the planning progress, and the consequences for failure to re-sign the player, are enormous.
Losing Suter without getting anything in return was hurtful. Losing Weber after Suter could be disastrous.
It's a good read, you should all check it out.

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Makes a ton of sense.

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We were just talking about how perfectly spot-on this was over on the Preds boards.

Excellent read. And FWIW, most Nashville fans feels exactly this way.

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Fully agree. Find out now, and nothing's set in stone and he's not interested in committing longterm then max out your assets by trading him to a team he wants to go to..

Now the fun begins.. what team does he want to go to..?

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Agreed. If Weber doesn't sign, Poile can't act like he didn't see him running off to FA and another team.


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Fully agree. Find out now, and nothing's set in stone and he's not interested in committing longterm then max out your assets by trading him to a team he wants to go to..

Now the fun begins.. what team does he want to go to..?
Canucks is probably his #1 choice.

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If the Nucks are the number 1 choice then something based around Edler +, if Edler indicates he'd be willing to sign long term in Nashville.

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Agreed. If Weber doesn't sign, Poile can't act like he didn't see him running off to FA and another team.




Canucks is probably his #1 choice.
I really don't think it is, I'm a Nucks fan.

He didn't grow up a canucks fan. The only ties he has to Vancouver is that he was born in BC. his gf is from kamloops, and that's pretty much it..

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The biggest question is, how long do you let him think about the offer?

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I really don't think it is, I'm a Nucks fan.

He didn't grow up a canucks fan. The only ties he has to Vancouver is that he was born in BC. his gf is from kamloops, and that's pretty much it..
If he's looking at his last contract, that could be a part of it. I'm sure it's one of the reasons why Parise signed with Minnesota. Parise wasn't a Wild fan growing up.

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The biggest question is, how long do you let him think about the offer?
My friend and I were just discussing this. They supposedly offered him a contract when they offered Suter one right?

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The biggest question is, how long do you let him think about the offer?
Before the start of the season. Youd likely get the best offer ala Staal.

Edler/Bieksa, Jensen, Booth, 2 1sts.

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The biggest question is, how long do you let him think about the offer?
To be realistic, it's a life choice because it's where he'll be for probably 10+ years. Then again, he knows the Preds want him long term, he went through discussions last year too so he already knows the answer.

5-7 days.

Make the offer, he says yes/no and then work on a trade. The longer it plays out the worse IMO.

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It would be a huge disappointment if Nashville loses Suter and Weber one year after another. For the sake of the franchise, I hope Weber stays, and preferably in the West.

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Just because he won't take a epically long contract, doesn't mean he is planning on leaving Nashville the first chance he gets. He might want to see how the team recovers from this offseason before he decides to spend the rest of his career there. I'd offer him a short term contract as well before trading him away.

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Before the start of the season. Youd likely get the best offer ala Staal.

Edler/Bieksa, Jensen, Booth, 2 1sts.
Bieksa has a full NTC.

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It's a shame that the Predators' window of contention was so small. If they lose such a formidable top pairing it will be quite a set back which may take years to recover from.

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Bieksa has a full NTC.
What's the difference between full and partial?

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What's the difference between full and partial?
Full usually means you're in complete control, you can veto a trade anywhere. With a partial you're usually asked to submit a list of 8-10 teams you wont be traded to at the start of every year.

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What's the difference between full and partial?
Full NTC is the player has complete say over where he will go. Partials have conditions such as "player can provide a list of 8 teams he will not accept a trade to" or "player must provide a list of 8 teams he will accept a trade to" etc.

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Thanks guys I didn't know full had complete authority. Would obviously rather let go of Bieksa than Edler..

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I was thinking in my head, hope some team signs him to an Offer Sheet, before I read the article.

I think that's probably a third option behind re-signing him, and trading him (hmmm... guess the last resort), but that's a respectable option nonetheless. Four 1st round picks from any team would be nuts.

I just want to see it happen and have the OS go clearly one way or the other.

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Just because he won't take a epically long contract, doesn't mean he is planning on leaving Nashville the first chance he gets. He might want to see how the team recovers from this offseason before he decides to spend the rest of his career there. I'd offer him a short term contract as well before trading him away.
I agree that it does not have to be a 12 year contract just because those seem to be all the rage right now, but how short term would you go? 3-5 years? I'd bet everyone would do that. With one or two years though, you see where it is headed. Two years is giving you a reprieve at least, I guess.

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We were just talking about how perfectly spot-on this was over on the Preds boards.

Excellent read. And FWIW, most Nashville fans feels exactly this way.
Hopefully Poile feels this way too.

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Just because he won't take a epically long contract, doesn't mean he is planning on leaving Nashville the first chance he gets. He might want to see how the team recovers from this offseason before he decides to spend the rest of his career there. I'd offer him a short term contract as well before trading him away.
I think you need a minimum of a 5 year commitment from Weber otherwise you're going through the same process again in 2/3 years time if you give him a shorter contract. Plus his trade value is probably going to be at it's highest now given he's just entering his prime.

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It's a shame that the Predators' window of contention was so small. If they lose such a formidable top pairing it will be quite a set back which may take years to recover from.
It's a little too soon to go there, even if I understand the sentiment.

If Nashville still plans to be a cap team, they have a long ways to go to get there and not a lot of positions to fill (assuming Weber and other RFAs Wilson, S. Kostitsyn and Blum re-sign, that's 21 players signed). A Crosby-size contract for Weber won't even bring them to the floor of a $70 million cap- even after signing deadline pickups Gaustad and Gill to contracts.

So, if they are willing to part ways with assets in order to replace Suter and maybe one more dynamic forward, the money is there.

If no other moves are made, this Nashville team is better at forward than the beginning of last season (Gaustad, plus another year maturing for Wilson and Craig Smith) and lose Suter on the blueline.

Suter's elite, but one player doesn't make a team- especially when that team has the money and desire to fill in some of the gap (not to mention a history of developing players on the blueline along with a solid young core there currently).


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