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07-11-2012, 10:02 PM
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how to fix the NHL?

With the CBA up problems like the shootout,point system, contracts etc... how would you suggest to fix them?

Personally I would like to see:

1- Divisions re-arranged to 4 divisions.

Conference 1
Division 1-Montreal,New York Islanders,New York Rangers, Boston, New Jersey ,Buffalo,Washington
Division 2-Toronto,Detriot,Pittsburgh,Philadelphia,Columbus,O ttawa,Minnesota,Chicago

Conference 2
Division 1-Nashville,Florida,Tampa,Carolina,St.Louis,Dallas,C olorado,
Division 2-Vancouver,Calgary,Edmonton,Winnepeg,San Jose,LA, Phoenix,Anaheim

The Standings would work as a Division based were the top 4 teams play 1v4,2v3 winners playing and a team from each advancing. Then into a the conferences so Division 1v Divison 2 and winners play for the cup. I know this got turned down but heres the difference.

There would be a turn over but only in the conference. If say the 5th team in Divison 2 has more points then the 4th in Division 1 the 5th team plays as the 4th seed in the other division. This allows for equal oppurtunity between teams.

The schedule would be for the 7 team division- 4 games against division (24 games in total),4 against the conference teams, (32 games = 52 in total) and a home and home against the league (30 games =82 in total)

The schedule for the 8 team divison-3 against everyone in the division (21 games in total), a rotation of a game to 3 teams every year (3 games = 24 games in total) 4 against conference (28 games= 52 games) and a home and home against the league (30 games = 82 games)


The Upside to this is each team gets to see each other at home. Everyone can see the stars play in every city. Every team can gain a rivarly seeing each other more.
The Downside is travel. Teams need to travel more in the east while the West would basically stay the same.

2-Drop the shootouts. I understand they were brought in to help bring fans but why not switch to something like this. 10 minute 4 on 4 overtime. If a goal is scored you play the 10 minutes. If tied after the 10 minutes the teams are given one point each. The point system would then drop to a 3 for a win, 2 for an OT win, 1 for a tie and 0 for any type of loss. This would eliminate any sort of teams playing for a point. Everyone would go hard for the 2nd point in OT. The standings this season would be like this

EastROW(3)-L(0)-OW(2)-T(1) Place they finished last season
NYR-142 with 39-26-8-9-----1st
BOS-130 with-38-30-2-12---2nd
WSH-115 with31-36-7-8-----7th
PITS-136 with-40-28-2-12--4th
PHI-134 with-37-28-6-11---5th
NJD-120 with 32-30-4-16---6th
FLO-112 with31-33-1-17----3rd
OTT-110 with 30-37-5-10---8th
-------------------------------
BUF-105 with 27-36-5-14---9th
TBL-101 with 25-41-10-6---10th
WIN-101 with27-41-6-8----11th
CAR-100 with29-43-3-7----12th
TOR-97 with 26-42-5-9----13th
MTL-93 with 24-39-2-17---14th
NYI-89 with24-44-3-11----15th


West(ROW(3)-L(0)-OW(2)-T(1) Place they finished last season

STL-146 with42-23-3-14----2nd
VAN-137 with 36-24-7-15---1st
PHO-121 with 33-30-3-16---3rd
NSH-136 with40-29-3-10----4th
DET-126 with 36-31-3-12---5th
CHI-124 with 34-30-4-14---6th
LA-114 with 31-33-3-15----8th
SJ-113with 31-34-3-14-----7th
-------------------
CGY-112 with-32-36-2-12---9th
DAL-112 with-31-36-4-11----10th
ANA-101 with 29-41-2-10---13th
COL-100 with 25-39-7-11---11th
EDM-91with-25-43-2-12----14th
MIN-90 with 22-36-2-20----12th
CBJ-82with23-48-2-9-------15th

In this not major chances other than in the first round Florida would now play Boston and Washington New Jersey. Who knows maybe Boston beats Florida. Also the Lottery would be CBJ-NYI-MIN-EDM-MON. This could mean Yakupov isnt in Edmonton and the Leafs get 6th pick. This rewards teams for winning and not losing.

3- I would insert a new method to calculate cap per contract. A player may not drop atleast 10% in any given year and 50% throughout the contract. This would be where a player signs a 10 year deal if signed at 5 million he can drop a max of 500K in any season. Also he must be getting paid above 2.5 million in all of his years.

Then to calculate the cap hit i would take the average of the contract for the first half of the contract. So if a player starts at 5 million and in the last year of a 10 year gets 2.5 million his cap hit and in every year drops 500k:

Year 1: 5 mill
Year 2: 4.5mill
Year3: 4 mill
Year4:3.5mill
Year5:3 mill
Year6:2.5mill
Year7:2.5mill
year8:2.5mill
year9:2.5mill
year10:2.5mill

then his cap hit would be 4 million.

Also if a player signs past the age of 35 his contract must stick with the team till end off term,unless injury forces the play to retire i.e Marc Savard.

4- I would allow a buyout clause in every off season at 1 year and half the contract. If the player has 5 years left he can be bought out at half of what is left on the contract for just the one season. Unless the player is over 35. This would force players who signed 10 year deals to honour the deals and not be bought out. The player would still get his money throughout the season but would rnot count against the cap.

So Komi could be bought out at 2.75 for this season alone for example.

Those are some of my ideas

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07-11-2012, 10:27 PM
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#1 - Something similar almost already happened with the realignment that was accepted by the NHL but the NHLPA rejected. I still expect something like it to happen soon. Seems like you included the CFL thingy with the carryover which some people wanted as well with the realignment.
#2 - Personally I like the shootouts as a hockey fan and think they are a good idea. NHL hockey is very structured and can at times get boring. Shootouts lets us see players raw talent and skill. Everyone can think of a few beautiful shootout goals. I would like to see wins in regulation awarded more than OT/shootout wins though.
#3 - Everyone seems to have their own idea of what would work best. Simplest idea seems to be just to limit the length of the contracts and keep the cap hit formula the same, nobody seems to mind doing just that.
#4 - I'm a little confused by what your idea is. But if I understand it correctly, it seems like teams get out of bad contracts easier which I disagree with. The team signed the contract, they need to pay the consequences of it. Leafs have had their fair share of bad signings, we just have to deal with it as should all the other teams in my opinion.

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#1 I loved the system proposed by the NHL roughly around december last year and I think they should go with that

#2 I think they should play till someone scorers and play 5on5. something like 80% of games in the playoffs that go to OT end in the first 5 minutes because they know someone has to score to win they can't just play for the shootout. there's a reason why the majority of OT games in the regular season go to a shootout and don't end in OT. 2 points for a win none for a lost. no teams would play for OT. basketball and baseball do it this way, and the NFL almost never has ties so don't know why the NHL would go to a none team shootout to determine winner. teams who have back2back games will push harder to finish the game earlier and therefore lead to a quick finish.

#3 they should just put a cap on the number of years something like 5-8 years thats an easy fix.

#4 there should be no fixes for bad contracts, if your dumb enough to give the bad contract you should be stuck with it.

for some of my changes

#1 take out the trapozoid, if you can't keep the puck away from the goalie on the dump in you don't belong in the NHL.

#2 this will never happen but, take out the 3 commercial breaks mid-period, thus taking away 3 timeouts basically not allowing the best players to play so much. this will lead to the #5-6 Dmen to play more often and I think more goals.

#3 adopt the NBA draft lottery system where most teams can move up or down thus making it more exciting then just one team moving up.

#4 this is not CBA related but move the World Championships to August or July so we can see best on best more often.

#5 take out the instigator rule

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Conference 2 division 1 is the "I didn't know where else to put them division" isn't it?

While I like the 4 division set up, that one is awful. The set up the NHL came up with back in December was much better.

Don't like the point system. If you're going to go to 3 for a win and 2 for an OT win, you should give out 1 for an OT loss. The whole gripe with today's system is points game to game is uneven. Some games are giving out 3 and some 2. Each game should be worth one or the other, 2 points or 3.

Pick one. If you decide 3, ties become irrelevant as someone has to get at least 1 pt if it goes to OT. If however you dislike shootouts enough, I would say go with 2 points. 2 for a win, 1 for a tie. Simple as that.

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Personally I don't think the NHL needs to be "fixed". The product is as good as it's ever been.

I would like a few changes though if I'm going to be in charge of the world.

I think the hybrin icing rule needs to take effect.

I like the NHL's new/old 4 division format, hopefully that get's instituted for the 2013-2014 season.

I'm fine with the shootout, but I would make 10 min OT and eliminate the loser point. Make just wins and losses, then standings would be easy to follow like baseball, basketball, and football. It's hard to gain new fans when they need a translator to read the standings.

I would take fighting out of hockey. I know you can't take it completely out, but I would punish it like Baseball and Basketball does. I think it is outdated and IMO not very entertaining.

That's pretty much it if I'm boss.

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I like everything the way it is. Watching these teams shoot themselves in the foot with these ridiculous contracts is fun.

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1) I like the division alignment but I don't like the carry-over. I like the concept but the schedule doesn't permit it. You can't judge points in one division the same as points in another when the majority of your games are played against different competition.

2) I don't mind keeping the shootout but a regulation win should equal 3 points if they keep it. So it would be like:

Reg win = 3
OT win = 2
OTL = 1

Shootouts are considered OT. I find that there is no integrity in the standings if all games don't award the same amount of points.

3) anything that stops these cap circumvention deals is fine by me


4) I don't like the buyout thing. GM's should be stuck with bad deals.



I would like to see the ability to make more creative trades. I saw a trade in the NBA yesterday where a team traded a player for the right to swap 2nd rd picks in the upcoming draft. They get to decide at the time of the pick, I like that.

I would also like to see the ability for a team to offer more money or years to ONLY their own players, like in the NBA. So if the future cap on term is 5 years, signing a player to an extension would allow you to sign him for 7 but no other team can do that. Would open up sign and trades which I love.

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I like everything the way it is. Watching these teams shoot themselves in the foot with these ridiculous contracts is fun.
I thought that at first too, but they don't seem to be shooting themselves in the foot with those like they used to. Richards helped the Rangers become a powerhouse, Hossa helped the Hawks win a cup. Philly rid themselves of Carter and Richards and THEY won a cup. Kovalchuk helped NJ make it to the conference finals. Luongo will probably be moved without much of a problem and might even net Vancouver a nice little return.

I think the Suter deal will bite Minny in the ass, but for the most part these deals have been working out for the team that makes them.

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With the CBA up problems like the shootout,point system, contracts etc... how would you suggest to fix them?

Personally I would like to see:

1- Divisions re-arranged to 4 divisions.

Conference 1
Division 1-Montreal,New York Islanders,New York Rangers, Boston, New Jersey ,Buffalo,Washington
Division 2-Toronto,Detriot,Pittsburgh,Philadelphia,Columbus,O ttawa,Minnesota,Chicago

Conference 2
Division 1-Nashville,Florida,Tampa,Carolina,St.Louis,Dallas,C olorado,
Division 2-Vancouver,Calgary,Edmonton,Winnepeg,San Jose,LA, Phoenix,Anaheim

The Standings would work as a Division based were the top 4 teams play 1v4,2v3 winners playing and a team from each advancing. Then into a the conferences so Division 1v Divison 2 and winners play for the cup. I know this got turned down but heres the difference.

There would be a turn over but only in the conference. If say the 5th team in Divison 2 has more points then the 4th in Division 1 the 5th team plays as the 4th seed in the other division. This allows for equal oppurtunity between teams.

The schedule would be for the 7 team division- 4 games against division (24 games in total),4 against the conference teams, (32 games = 52 in total) and a home and home against the league (30 games =82 in total)

The schedule for the 8 team divison-3 against everyone in the division (21 games in total), a rotation of a game to 3 teams every year (3 games = 24 games in total) 4 against conference (28 games= 52 games) and a home and home against the league (30 games = 82 games)


The Upside to this is each team gets to see each other at home. Everyone can see the stars play in every city. Every team can gain a rivarly seeing each other more.
The Downside is travel. Teams need to travel more in the east while the West would basically stay the same.

2-Drop the shootouts. I understand they were brought in to help bring fans but why not switch to something like this. 10 minute 4 on 4 overtime. If a goal is scored you play the 10 minutes. If tied after the 10 minutes the teams are given one point each. The point system would then drop to a 3 for a win, 2 for an OT win, 1 for a tie and 0 for any type of loss. This would eliminate any sort of teams playing for a point. Everyone would go hard for the 2nd point in OT. The standings this season would be like this

EastROW(3)-L(0)-OW(2)-T(1) Place they finished last season
NYR-142 with 39-26-8-9-----1st
BOS-130 with-38-30-2-12---2nd
WSH-115 with31-36-7-8-----7th
PITS-136 with-40-28-2-12--4th
PHI-134 with-37-28-6-11---5th
NJD-120 with 32-30-4-16---6th
FLO-112 with31-33-1-17----3rd
OTT-110 with 30-37-5-10---8th
-------------------------------
BUF-105 with 27-36-5-14---9th
TBL-101 with 25-41-10-6---10th
WIN-101 with27-41-6-8----11th
CAR-100 with29-43-3-7----12th
TOR-97 with 26-42-5-9----13th
MTL-93 with 24-39-2-17---14th
NYI-89 with24-44-3-11----15th


West(ROW(3)-L(0)-OW(2)-T(1) Place they finished last season

STL-146 with42-23-3-14----2nd
VAN-137 with 36-24-7-15---1st
PHO-121 with 33-30-3-16---3rd
NSH-136 with40-29-3-10----4th
DET-126 with 36-31-3-12---5th
CHI-124 with 34-30-4-14---6th
LA-114 with 31-33-3-15----8th
SJ-113with 31-34-3-14-----7th
-------------------
CGY-112 with-32-36-2-12---9th
DAL-112 with-31-36-4-11----10th
ANA-101 with 29-41-2-10---13th
COL-100 with 25-39-7-11---11th
EDM-91with-25-43-2-12----14th
MIN-90 with 22-36-2-20----12th
CBJ-82with23-48-2-9-------15th

In this not major chances other than in the first round Florida would now play Boston and Washington New Jersey. Who knows maybe Boston beats Florida. Also the Lottery would be CBJ-NYI-MIN-EDM-MON. This could mean Yakupov isnt in Edmonton and the Leafs get 6th pick. This rewards teams for winning and not losing.

3- I would insert a new method to calculate cap per contract. A player may not drop atleast 10% in any given year and 50% throughout the contract. This would be where a player signs a 10 year deal if signed at 5 million he can drop a max of 500K in any season. Also he must be getting paid above 2.5 million in all of his years.

Then to calculate the cap hit i would take the average of the contract for the first half of the contract. So if a player starts at 5 million and in the last year of a 10 year gets 2.5 million his cap hit and in every year drops 500k:

Year 1: 5 mill
Year 2: 4.5mill
Year3: 4 mill
Year4:3.5mill
Year5:3 mill
Year6:2.5mill
Year7:2.5mill
year8:2.5mill
year9:2.5mill
year10:2.5mill

then his cap hit would be 4 million.

Also if a player signs past the age of 35 his contract must stick with the team till end off term,unless injury forces the play to retire i.e Marc Savard.

4- I would allow a buyout clause in every off season at 1 year and half the contract. If the player has 5 years left he can be bought out at half of what is left on the contract for just the one season. Unless the player is over 35. This would force players who signed 10 year deals to honour the deals and not be bought out. The player would still get his money throughout the season but would rnot count against the cap.

So Komi could be bought out at 2.75 for this season alone for example.

Those are some of my ideas
Easy -- just ban the media -- especially Toronto media. The games would be so more exciting not listening to blow hards talk about Kessel and Phaneuf and how much they suck. Then just get some popcorn and enjoy the, already, greatest game on earth.

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I thought that at first too, but they don't seem to be shooting themselves in the foot with those like they used to. Richards helped the Rangers become a powerhouse, Hossa helped the Hawks win a cup. Philly rid themselves of Carter and Richards and THEY won a cup. Kovalchuk helped NJ make it to the conference finals. Luongo will probably be moved without much of a problem and might even net Vancouver a nice little return.

I think the Suter deal will bite Minny in the ass, but for the most part these deals have been working out for the team that makes them.
In the short term, yes. But down the road these teams will be screwed. Luongo is a perfect example so far. He's a great goalie that should net a nice return, but his asinine contract is keeping his butt in Vancouver. Gillis can't get what he should for him because they handed out a ridiculous contract. It's awesome.

Richards and everyone else is good for the short term, but if they handcuff you 5-8 years from now it's not worth it.

I fully expect changes to
Come though, because we all know that these GMs need to be protected from themselves. They're all nutso.

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#1 - If there are 3 points available to be won in a game (currently 2pts for an OT win and 1pt for an OT loss), then a win in regulation should be worth 3pts.

#2 - Introduce hybrid icing.

#3 - More regulations on equipment. Elbow pads and shoulder pads should be there to protect the individual, not used as a weapon. Shot blocking, while an effective tool, makes the game less exciting. Restrict the width of shin guards as well.

#4 - Harsh penalties on players, coaches and teams for staged fights. I don't mind if Jarome Iginla and Vinny Lecavallier want to go at it because they're pissed off at each other, but staged fights between guys that play 3-4 minutes per game is an embarrassment.

#5 - Remove the trapezoid behind the goal line. If your team is blessed with a goalie that is excellent at playing the puck (ie. Brodeur), you shouldn't be penalized because other teams don't have one.

#6 - The re-alignment proposed by the NHL, and subsequently rejected by the NHLPA, should be made effective as soon as possible.

I'm not a big fan of teams lining up 5 guys on their own blue line either, but I can't think of an effective way to deter that strategy.


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