Listen I'm not saying the Flames (who missed the playoffs by 5 points in 9th. spot, and by 3 points in 10th. spot) are ahead of the Leafs in their rebuild. I'm saying Feaster is trying to rebuild while being competitive. Burke's goal this year and last year was the make the playoffs and while rebuilding. He claimed he could do it in less than 5 years, so why don't we give Feaster the same number of drafts to compare?
Calgary still has a better team than the Leafs, even if the Leafs are 2 years ahead in their rebuild.
no, they dont, they have a better goalie who had an amazing year. ...without Kipper, Calgary would have been fighting the Jackets for dead last.
I agree with what you are saying, but Feaster is trying to restock their prospects within the parameters of remaining competitive. Kind of like when Burke showed up and thought he could throw Beauchemin and Komisarek at the problems (crap coach) and throw 2*1st.+2nd. at a lack of skill up front and things would take off.
Funny all the excuses we can provide for Burke, and none of anyone else.
I'm not sure who I'd rate higher Kadri or Baertschi today. Give him another year and development and it might not be close. That was first 1st. for Burke and Feaster.
The Flames remain competitive so long as they have Iggy and Kipper playing, and playing at a high level .. That window is closing, and therein lies the crux of the dilemma with the Flames. Given their extremely shallow prospect pool, they could turn around a lot quicker without Iggy and Kipper if they trade them and salvage some value. If they retire or walk as an UFA, the Flames are screwed.
Burke's biggest problem, and what haters feed on, is that he has too much ego to admit that when he arrived he overvalued the team he had. When he came in the team just missed the playoffs, so adding a dynamic scorer in Kessel and signing Komi and Beauch seemingly could get them over the hump. At the same time, Burke could rework the roster around that 'core'. Evidently it was a failure, but Burke refused to admit so. I, personally, don't give a **** anymore because that was 3-4 years ago .. his moves since have gone leaps and bounds to improve the team in the long term and we shouldn't have to wait too long to see results.
no, they dont, they have a better goalie who had an amazing year. ...without Kipper, Calgary would have been fighting the Jackets for dead last.
I realize the goaltender is part of the team.
I realize if the Leafs had Kipper they'd have made the playoffs.
I think even with a good coach they'd have made the playoffs, but the coach is part of the team as well.
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using his big frame to create space and his skating ability to find open lanes to drive the net. He stands 6-3 and is a natural goal scorer with plenty of confidence.
He's a scout's dream in the way he prepares himself and plays an unselfish game, making smart decisions with the puck. With his bloodlines, he certainly understands what it will take to make it at the next level.
Listen I'm not saying the Flames (who missed the playoffs by 5 points in 9th. spot, and by 3 points in 10th. spot) are ahead of the Leafs in their rebuild. I'm saying Feaster is trying to rebuild while being competitive. Burke's goal this year and last year was the make the playoffs and while rebuilding. He claimed he could do it in less than 5 years, so why don't we give Feaster the same number of drafts to compare?
Calgary still has a better team than the Leafs, even if the Leafs are 2 years ahead in their rebuild.
Feaster inherited a team with Iginla, Kipper, and Bouwmeester as its three best players.
Burke inherited a team with Ponikerovsky, Kubina, and Kaberle as its three best players.
Theres absolutely no comparison. Ive criticized Burke a ton, but Feaster had a way better starting point than Burke did. Subtract your three best players going into the 2010-2011 season, and thats comparable to Burkes starting point.
Listen I'm not saying the Flames (who missed the playoffs by 5 points in 9th. spot, and by 3 points in 10th. spot) are ahead of the Leafs in their rebuild. I'm saying Feaster is trying to rebuild while being competitive. Burke's goal this year and last year was the make the playoffs and while rebuilding. He claimed he could do it in less than 5 years, so why don't we give Feaster the same number of drafts to compare?
Calgary still has a better team than the Leafs, even if the Leafs are 2 years ahead in their rebuild.
No, but he had to do something. You remember that roster don't you? It was not great....
The flames are not better. They have a better goalie, which makes them better.
Not to mention Burke has acquired:
Our top offensive player who is 24 (Kessel)
A top 2 winger with PPG ability 28 (Lupul)
A top D prospect and likely future stud 21 (Gardiner)
Our captain and current best D 26 (Phaneuf)
Acquired a recent #2 pick 23 (JVR)
Free-Agent with upside left 26 (Bozak)
Top prospect with size/skill 21(Colborne)
PWF prospect who upside 20(Ashton)
Stop gap with value 27 (Macarthur)
Then there are his draft picks who are about to come into the NHL system
Rielly
Biggs
Percy
Finn
Kadri
D'amigo
Blacker
Mckegg
Ross
Then what he inherited that has value and is still here developing
Grabo
Kuli
Frattin
Reimer
Holzer
If Feaster ever has a list of acquisitions like BUrke's that suggest rebuild then it becomes closer
Then if he can boast a quality list of draft picks like Burke has put together it becomes closer again.
There's just something about holding onto 35+ year old stars and trading/signing to acquire the likes of Cammy/Tanguay/Jokinen/Wideman/Stempniak/Hudler while having no real prospect pool that makes me cringe at the comparison of what Burke has done and what Feaster is trying to do.....
Yes, I know it's 3.5 years to 2 years in time..... but still.
Do you think Feaster will have a similar track record and depth in their systmen in 1.5 years from now?
No, but he had to do something. You remember that roster don't you? It was not great....
The flames are not better. They have a better goalie, which makes them better.
Not to mention Burke has acquired:
Our top offensive player who is 24 (Kessel)
A top 2 winger with PPG ability 28 (Lupul)
A top D prospect and likely future stud 21 (Gardiner)
Our captain and current best D 26 (Phaneuf)
Acquired a recent #2 pick 23 (JVR)
Free-Agent with upside left 26 (Bozak)
Top prospect with size/skill 21(Colborne)
PWF prospect who upside 20(Ashton)
Stop gap with value 27 (Macarthur)
Then there are his draft picks who are about to come into the NHL system
Rielly
Biggs
Percy
Finn
Kadri
D'amigo
Blacker
Mckegg
Ross
Then what he inherited that has value and is still here developing
Grabo
Kuli
Frattin
Reimer
Holzer
If Feaster ever has a list of acquisitions like BUrke's that suggest rebuild then it becomes closer
Then if he can boast a quality list of draft picks like Burke has put together it becomes closer again.
There's just something about holding onto 35+ year old stars and trading/signing to acquire the likes of Cammy/Tanguay/Jokinen/Wideman/Stempniak/Hudler while having no real prospect pool that makes me cringe at the comparison of what Burke has done and what Feaster is trying to do.....
Yes, I know it's 3.5 years to 2 years in time..... but still.
Do you think Feaster will have a similar track record and depth in their systmen in 1.5 years from now?
I have no idea what the Leafs or Flames will look like in 2 years.
Do you think Burke thought he'd have the pathetic finishes he's had the past 3 seasons? Okay, we know the answer is no, because he made the Kessel deal and said they discussed worst case scenario and that worst case scenario happened. So that finish was not expected, it was worst case.
You are saying to level the playing field we'll use 4 Burke drafts to compare to 2 Feaster drafts.
Toronto would need to go ++++ for Anaheim to even consider it.
People act like Perry isn't a year removed from a Hart Trophy campaign and that Getzlaf isn't one of the most premier centers in the league (obviously not ripping on you since its a fantasy trade) but let's not kid ourselves. Anaheim would have to be high on bath salts to even look at moving those guys for anything short of a coup.
Toronto would need to go ++++ for Anaheim to even consider it.
People act like Perry isn't a year removed from a Hart Trophy campaign and that Getzlaf isn't one of the most premier centers in the league (obviously not ripping on you since its a fantasy trade) but let's not kid ourselves. Anaheim would have to be high on bath salts to even look at moving those guys for anything short of a coup.
Yeah, the only way it makes sense (even in fantasy land) is if Kessel = Perry (or close to it). Then Grabo/Kule = Getzlaf.
You know Burke would be wondering what's going to happen in Anahiem, and if there is any way he could pry Getzlaf or the two of them out of Anahiem.
Anahiem may be shooting themselves in the foot with how they are handling Ryan. Getz and Perry took discounts the last time they signed because they were just coming off a Cup and wanted to keep the team together, I doubt that happens twice.
Doubt Anahiem gets blown up, but the very very remote chance exists for a Phiily style re-tool, especially with the lack of forward depth in the organization after the big 3 (esp. when the super Finns retire).
Toronto would need to go ++++ for Anaheim to even consider it.
People act like Perry isn't a year removed from a Hart Trophy campaign and that Getzlaf isn't one of the most premier centers in the league (obviously not ripping on you since its a fantasy trade) but let's not kid ourselves. Anaheim would have to be high on bath salts to even look at moving those guys for anything short of a coup.
Toronto would need to go ++++ for Anaheim to even consider it.
People act like Perry isn't a year removed from a Hart Trophy campaign and that Getzlaf isn't one of the most premier centers in the league (obviously not ripping on you since its a fantasy trade) but let's not kid ourselves. Anaheim would have to be high on bath salts to even look at moving those guys for anything short of a coup.
One morning I walked downstairs and I saw a gift bag with a weird bottle thing in it for as a gift for one of my parent's friends. Decided to look at what the the weird bottle was, it contained bath salts. Then I proceed to the kitchen. Front page of the paper sitting on the table talking about bath salts being used as a drug. My mom insists it was just a spa type item gift. I found it pretty funny haha.
Perry is better on the right side, and Lupul is better on the left side.
You would be looking at roughly 37mil of cap hit there...
If they could make the rest of the line up work that would be SIK!!
For cap relief tho I would move Grabo and keep Bozak/Kadri or Colbourne there who I think would gel better with Kessel and lupes anyways!
