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07-06-2012, 10:34 PM
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i think we're getting Ryan
If we get Ryan, Grabovski is going the other way. Here are a couple of trades I just pulled out of my ass, not saying either team does it. Just throwing ideas around.

To Anaheim: Grabovski, Kadri, Holzer
To Toronto: Ryan

To Colorado: Kulemin, Franson, Ashton
To Toronto: Stastny, O'Byrne

Lupul - Stastny - Kessel
JVR - Bozak - Ryan
MacArthur - McClement - Frattin
Komorov - Steckel - Brown

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - O'Byrne
Liles - Komisarek

Defense is a bit sketchy, but that is one of the best top 6's in the league. Obviously Burke would have to do some minor tweaking. Not sure where Connolly and Lombardi fit, hopefully not on the roster.

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To Anaheim: Grabovski, Kadri, Holzer
To Toronto: Ryan

We could do so much better with other teams. No way Ducks touch that.

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07-06-2012, 10:45 PM
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If we get Ryan, Grabovski is going the other way. Here are a couple of trades I just pulled out of my ass, not saying either team does it. Just throwing ideas around.

To Anaheim: Grabovski, Kadri, Holzer
To Toronto: Ryan

To Colorado: Kulemin, Franson, Ashton
To Toronto: Stastny, O'Byrne

Lupul - Stastny - Kessel
JVR - Bozak - Ryan
MacArthur - McClement - Frattin
Komorov - Steckel - Brown

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - O'Byrne
Liles - Komisarek

Defense is a bit sketchy, but that is one of the best top 6's in the league. Obviously Burke would have to do some minor tweaking. Not sure where Connolly and Lombardi fit, hopefully not on the roster.
In this situation why not:

JvR - Statsny - Ryan
Lupul - Bozak - Kessel

I think the talent is a bit more spread out, 1A/1B lines. Our first line now would be an intense second line.

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We could do so much better with other teams. No way Ducks touch that.
I appreciate the lurking feedback.

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We could do so much better with other teams. No way Ducks touch that.
could you have done better than beauchemin for gardiner? would other teams have offered more?

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07-06-2012, 11:03 PM
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We could do so much better with other teams. No way Ducks touch that.
I think assets wise Toronto CAN give you better assets than Flyers.

They wont trade Brayden or Couterier.

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07-06-2012, 11:13 PM
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i think we're getting Ryan
don't see us being the ones tbh. It has to be the rangers or flyers IMO.

Both are very likely to be in the hunt for Ryan Or Nash.

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I think assets wise Toronto CAN give you better assets than Flyers.

They wont trade Brayden or Couterier.
For ryan i can see couturier going the other way actually, brayden I doubt.

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Toronto and Anaheim have maintained very strong ties. I can assure thay if Burke wants Ryan, Anaheim will give strong considerations to any offer from Toronto.

Unless New York, for example, agrees to trade Kreider or Stepan, I don't think there is a fit there.

I'm trying to say that if Toronto actually wants Ryan, and they should because he's a great player and Burke has always been fond of him, then they have a good chance of landing him.

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07-06-2012, 11:24 PM
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there is no doubt that Burke and Murray are pals and they like doing business together BUT i think if the Rangers loose out on Nash, Ryan will be a Rag.

I could see:

NYR: Stepan + Erixon + 1st
ANA: Ryan

Unless Philly would part with Couts + i dont see a fit...

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could you have done better than beauchemin for gardiner? would other teams have offered more?
dont forget Lupul too ahaha

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little off topic, but what's up with Tim Thomas? is he still being shopped? will he definitely not play this season? These questions probably impact Lulongo's trade value no?
My understanding of the situation is that Tim Thomas has made it very clear around the league that he will not be playing next season.

A risky move for an aging goaltender.

If Thomas hadnt gone out of his way to express this and left his status unknown they we may have seen some teams willing to gamble, thus lowering the luongo market interest.

But with Thomas issues and the fact he is firm on sitting this season out, hes a non factor at this point.

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Maybe Thomas is a 2012 doomsday fanatic

sitting out the season, built a house in Colorado and turned his back on the team that gave him a chance.


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Maybe Thomas is a 2012 doomsday fanatic

sitting out the season, built a house in Colorado and turned his back on the team that gave him a chance plus won a cup with.
I respected Thomas's decision for skipping the White House visit and it was a classic case of the media creating a mountain out of a mole hill. I think there is a strong possibility that there is an ill will to an extent between Thomas and the Bruins and its a shame that it could have been triggered due to philosophical differences.

By all inclinations he is one hell of a team mate and one hell of a player when healthy. I think he'd still be an impact starter when he returns.

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Leafs don't have the assets to get Ryan, just saying. Anaheim's asking price is pretty much a #2 C +
we do have the assets.

some people just over value our players and think they are untouchable.

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we do have the assets.

some people just over value our players and think they are untouchable.
Pretty much.

I am very curious on what other trades might be going on now, since we are suppose to be trading away players or something.

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Pretty much.

I am very curious on what other trades might be going on now, since we are suppose to be trading away players or something.
everyone is.

im not saying anyone specifically, but alot of people act like Kulemin, Grabovski, etc are super valuable or "core" pieces. the reality is our core has done nothing in the last few years, and that unless you can truly see where they fit the full plan in the next few years, i think many are up for trade if it makes sense

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everyone is.

im not saying anyone specifically, but alot of people act like Kulemin, Grabovski, etc are super valuable or "core" pieces. the reality is our core has done nothing in the last few years, and that unless you can truly see where they fit the full plan in the next few years, i think many are up for trade if it makes sense
Indeed, i love grabo as the next guy but as soon as these guys in our prospect system are ready to jump up, heck even as soon as next season we might move a guy like Kulemin or Grabovski.

I can't see grabovski moving yet though, not with the way our center spot is, but Kulemin I can see being moved for sure.

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If we get Ryan, Grabovski is going the other way. Here are a couple of trades I just pulled out of my ass, not saying either team does it. Just throwing ideas around.


To Colorado: Kulemin, Franson, Ashton
To Toronto: Stastny, O'Byrne
Would definitely not work for us. We have no need for Kulemin, we have enough top 9 wingers. Zero need for Franson either, and completely pointless for us since we would rather have O'Byrne than him. Ashton is a nice prospect, but certainly not enough to convince us to move Stastny.

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Leafs don't have the assets to get Ryan, just saying. Anaheim's asking price is pretty much a #2 C +
Mikhail Grabovski is a #2 C, isn't he?

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If we get Ryan, Grabovski is going the other way. Here are a couple of trades I just pulled out of my ass, not saying either team does it. Just throwing ideas around.

To Anaheim: Grabovski, Kadri, Holzer
To Toronto: Ryan

To Colorado: Kulemin, Franson, Ashton
To Toronto: Stastny, O'Byrne

Lupul - Stastny - Kessel
JVR - Bozak - Ryan
MacArthur - McClement - Frattin
Komorov - Steckel - Brown

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - O'Byrne
Liles - Komisarek

Defense is a bit sketchy, but that is one of the best top 6's in the league. Obviously Burke would have to do some minor tweaking. Not sure where Connolly and Lombardi fit, hopefully not on the roster.
Ryan deal is to much talent outgoing for net return. Second deal makes more sense.

Grabs is a shoe in for 50+ pts, Ryan had a 71pt season with great line mates. Grabs playing with lesser linemates is still a threat while Ryan taken off the first line saw his production slip to the same level or less that of Grabbers. We have not seen grabs ceiling and have good term with him. Add Kadri in that deal and we are by far overpaying for a talented name. Burke simply isnt that dumb to pull the trigger on a deal like that. If you read around many people think grabber could hit 80pt seasons. Kadri should be a 40pt guy at the bare bare minimum. Ashton is versatile and could be good in the future on line 1 2 3 depending on injuries, he is worth working with and keeping an eye on.

The leafs as it stands working with jvr on c should focus on net. The assets you trade for that are top prospect d, Finn or maybe Percy plus someone in service like franson or komi. Rielly could probably slot in immediately from what i see. To add, jvr will succeed at c, no question.

Thats my take.

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Leafs don't have the assets to get Ryan, just saying. Anaheim's asking price is pretty much a #2 C +
Grabo is a 2c on most teams in the league. He would be a 2c on Anaheim.

It would be painful to trade him, but for Ryan, you're silly not to.

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Ryan deal is to much talent outgoing for net return. Second deal makes more sense.
You want to get a talent like Bobby Ryan, you are going to give up a lot. Grabovski+ either MacArthur or Kulemin makes sense for both sides.

The second deal makes sense for the Leafs, but why would Colorado give up a legit 1st line center for scraps?

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You want to get a talent like Bobby Ryan, you are going to give up a lot. Grabovski+ either MacArthur or Kulemin makes sense for both sides.

The second deal makes sense for the Leafs, but why would Colorado give up a legit 1st line center for scraps?
I am sure they would want Grabber+ doesnt mean in the grand scheme it makes sense for Toronto.

My trading pool would be...

Kule, mac, bozac, komi, lombardi, connolly, franson. Prospects. If i could net a good pick for any of the above i would. Some said kule, mac could get firsts. Not sure about connolly. Regardless I would use the new picks for upgrades in net, promote kadri, promote frats, test colborne/other.

They have to get rid of the log jam soon.

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I am sure they would want Grabber+ doesnt mean in the grand scheme it makes sense for Toronto.

My trading pool would be...

Kule, mac, bozac, komi, lombardi, connolly, franson. Prospects. If i could net a good pick for any of the above i would. Some said kule, mac could get firsts. Not sure about connolly. Regardless I would use the new picks for upgrades in net, promote kadri, promote frats, test colborne/other.

They have to get rid of the log jam soon.
I agree that lightening the log jam is important, but that's exactly why we should be trading 2-3 roster players for legit 1st line players.


Grabovski+MacArthur+McKegg for Bobby Ryan.

Lupul+Gunnarsson+Bozak for Paul Stastny and Jamie McGinn.


Line-up:
van Riemsdyk - Stastny - Kessel
Kulemin - Kadri/Colborne - Ryan
McGinn - McClement - Frattin
Brown - Steckel - Connolly

Kadri and Colborne compete head-to head for that 2nd line center spot. If they both fail, Connolly goes up from the 4th line.

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