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07-07-2012, 05:16 PM
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Columbus gives: Nash
Columbus gets: Luongo(assuming he waives), David Booth, Colin Wilson

Nashville gives: Shea Weber, Colin Wilson, 1st 2013
Nashville gets: Alex Edler, Rick Nash

Vancouver gives: Roberto Luongo, David Booth, Alex Edler
Vancouver gets: Shea Weber, Nashville's 1st

Columbus has the option of trading its 1st for Nashville and Vancouver's 1st next year if it wants.

Why Columbus does it: They get an elite starting goaltender that will last 5 years who can mentor whatever goalie prospects Columbus has/ drafts in the near future. After that he will likely retire,(he hinted in an interview he won't play out his contract) They get a top 6 winger in Booth, an Colin Wilson, 23, with 1st line upside. Depending on how next season plays out, they eiter get a lottery pick or swap a medium pick for two medium-high picks, maximizing the talent they build through the draft.

Why Nashville does it: They downgrade from a franchise defenseman to an all-star defenseman, but trade a young player for Rick Nash. The difference between Edler- Weber and Wilson- Nash means that Nashville also needs to give up a 1st, but as they have a solid prospect pool, it does not hurt them as much. Most importantly, they stay in win-now mode. Plus Nash in Nashville has a nice ring to it.

Why Vancouver does it: Shea Weber. Duh.

And they get to add to their prospect pool, either with 2 late 1sts in a strong draft, or a mid 1st, if Columbus decides to trade.


Yes this is assuming Luongo will waive to Columbus and Rick Nash will be traded in the division, but I think this fits everyone's needs very well.

EDIT: Alternately, Columbus get's Schneider instead of Luongo, but gives their 1st to Vancouver, and get's Nashville's instead, with no option to trade.

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07-07-2012, 05:19 PM
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Make Nashville's 1st into a
2nd maybe.

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07-07-2012, 05:21 PM
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On second thought, ionno if I do it. I'm not sure if this trade makes us much better of a team. We want Weber, but we need a top 6 winger more. I'm on the fence, I'd rather have Wilson coming our way rather than the 1st. Either that or we keep Booth and send Raymond and a pick/prospect. We kinda need Booth

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07-07-2012, 05:22 PM
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Make Nashville's 1st into a
2nd maybe.
Not really. Vancouver shoulders the most risk, as if Weber doesn't sign, we're screwed, but if Edler doesn't sign, you still have Nash locked up. Also,
Weber>Edler
Nash>>>Wilson

A 1st is needed to make up the difference.

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07-07-2012, 05:23 PM
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Columbus isn't satisfied with that return for Nash.

Luongo won't waive for Columbus.

Nash won't waive for Nashville.

Whether the value is there for the rest of the pieces becomes irrelevant.

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07-07-2012, 05:29 PM
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Columbus isn't satisfied with that return for Nash.

Luongo won't waive for Columbus.

Nash won't waive for Nashville.

Whether the value is there for the rest of the pieces becomes irrelevant.
Columbus gets a top 6 winger, a potential 1st liner, and a starting goaltender.

Why won't Nash waive to go to a contendet where he is less pressured by the market?

And Luongo in an interview, when asked if he would waive to Columbus, was ambiguous in his answer.

Obviously the trade would never happen, but I want to see if people would do it.

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On second thought, ionno if I do it. I'm not sure if this trade makes us much better of a team. We want Weber, but we need a top 6 winger more. I'm on the fence, I'd rather have Wilson coming our way rather than the 1st. Either that or we keep Booth and send Raymond and a pick/prospect. We kinda need Booth
Hmm. I hear what you mean. I would have no problem putting Kassian on the 2nd line, but we'd still be left needing a top-6 winger. I doubt Raymond would serve as a replacement for Booth though.

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Supposedly, Poile already offered a substantial package for Nash back in Feb, but we weren't on Nash's list

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Supposedly, Poile already offered a substantial package for Nash back in Feb, but we weren't on Nash's list
Darn. Well, desperation might make him change his mind, but do fans of respective teams thing this is good value/fits needs?

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Columbus gets a top 6 winger, a potential 1st liner, and a starting goaltender.

Why won't Nash waive to go to a contendet where he is less pressured by the market?

And Luongo in an interview, when asked if he would waive to Columbus, was ambiguous in his answer.

Obviously the trade would never happen, but I want to see if people would do it.
Columbus can get a better players at each of those positions, aside from goaltender, and a defenseman from other teams. They've reportedly turned down significantly better packages.

Does Nash feel pressured in Columbus? It seems to me that he's eager to play in a big hockey market, based on his rumored list. Not to disparage Nashville at all, because they've made great strides in becoming a strong hockey market, but will Nash view them as such? Will Nashville still be viewed as a contender with the loss of Suter and the potential loss of Weber?

Ambiguous answers are just politeness. Why would Luongo want to go to Columbus?

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07-07-2012, 05:55 PM
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It's not bad. But I don't think Nashville considers moving Shea, no matter what. Even if they aren't sure they have him past this year. So I don't think Nashville does it. I'm not sure Columbus does either, cus they like Nash a lot. And I don't like it for Vancouver either, because that is a ton to give up for what could be one year of Weber.

It's actually really good value, overall, but I'm not sure the pieces fit.

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If you want the Blue Jackets to trade Nash in division, they would have to get more than that

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Supposedly, Poile already offered a substantial package for Nash back in Feb, but we weren't on Nash's list
Nashville not on Nash's list? That's unpossible!

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I have seen this before only 1 team has been switched... What was that team again? Toronto Blue Bombers? St.John's Maple Leafs? ah it was some combination of those two.

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Seems like a lot to give up for Vancouver, IMO. I know you said it's a huge risk, which is exactly why trading a lot for him with that giant risk might seem kind of extreme. They would give Edler, Booth and Luongo PLUS Columbus could switch firsts with them. Now, I know Columbus would never want to switch firsts with them and you guys are trying to move Luongo, but maybe Vancouver could get something else back with some value? I think that with Suter and Weber gone and Radulov and AK gone Nashville willll be weaker this year, so maybe Nash and Van switch 1sts to complete this deal?

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Seems like a lot to give up for Vancouver, IMO. I know you said it's a huge risk, which is exactly why trading a lot for him with that giant risk might seem kind of extreme. They would give Edler, Booth and Luongo PLUS Columbus could switch firsts with them. Now, I know Columbus would never want to switch firsts with them and you guys are trying to move Luongo, but maybe Vancouver could get something else back with some value? I think that with Suter and Weber gone and Radulov and AK gone Nashville willll be weaker this year, so maybe Nash and Van switch 1sts to complete this deal?
Vancouver gets Nashville's 1st. Not sure what you mean by swapping.

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The trade premises are based on Luongo being an in demand goalie with lots of teams eager to acquire him.
The are few teams looking for a goalie to take over as their starter so the demand (& therefore trade value) for a former starter carrying a 10 year, big $ contract isn't high.

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Columbus probably won't get that much for Nash and Luongo won't waive his NTC to go to Columbus. Otherwise not bad.

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The trade premises are based on Luongo being an in demand goalie with lots of teams eager to acquire him.
The are few teams looking for a goalie to take over as their starter so the demand (& therefore trade value) for a former starter carrying a 10 year, big $ contract isn't high.
Are you saying that Booth, Luongo, Wilson and the ability to turn a 1st into two for nash isn't enough?

Additionally, it could be Schneider in there, which I would be willing to do if you read the conditions in the OP. However I doubt Gillis would actually trade him though.

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Not bad, although losing Booth would be somewhat counterproductive to our scoring inadequacies come playoffs. We would need to have signed Semin or Doan for this to work.

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Value is there if Edler agrees to an extension with Nashville, and take out NSH 1st round pick while Columbus needs to give Vancouver a decent prospect back.

Luongo/Booth/Wilson >>>>>>>>>>> Nash

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This trade only helps the Canucks

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This trade only helps the Canucks
Elaborate.

You're the only person so far who thinks it only helps the Canucks.

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It's not that bad if the NTCs weren't rampant.

Nashville gets to swap Weber for a forward in case they can't get him long-term and gets Edler who is basically Weber-lite.

Canucks upgrade d and get some cap space.

CBJ gets a long-term goalie, a good young center and a gritty 20 goal winger.

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