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01-13-2013, 10:01 AM
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capgeek has us over the cap now

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Matt Gilroy ($0.650m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Stu Bickel ($0.750m)
Steve Eminger ($0.750m) / Wade Redden ($6.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $72,708,334; BONUSES: $1,250,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster):- $1,258,334

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01-13-2013, 10:03 AM
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Taking one for the team.

Maybe Gaby will next year as well...
I've posted this a few times in different places. Gaborik WANTS to be in New York.
He bought an apartment. Not at the beginning of his contract, but last season.

On a side note, how do you guys feel about a Richards like deal for Gaby?

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01-13-2013, 10:09 AM
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capgeek has us over the cap now

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Matt Gilroy ($0.650m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Stu Bickel ($0.750m)
Steve Eminger ($0.750m) / Wade Redden ($6.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $72,708,334; BONUSES: $1,250,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster):- $1,258,334
Redden hit is only $5.6M. Plus one of Gilroy, Bickel, Eminger will be waived.

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01-13-2013, 10:09 AM
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Im glad MDZ is signed and Sather didnt overpay but now in 2014 Sather will have a lot of work to do resigning guys

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I've posted this a few times in different places. Gaborik WANTS to be in New York.
He bought an apartment. Not at the beginning of his contract, but last season.

On a side note, how do you guys feel about a Richards like deal for Gaby?
It could only be a max of 6 years. What was the contract variance again? Wasn't it to stop the cap circumventing contracts?

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I think that a great value for MDZ. Like a million less than what I though he would get

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01-13-2013, 10:12 AM
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Redden hit is only $5.6M. Plus one of Gilroy, Bickel, Eminger will be waived.

Even if they are, they cant be hidden in CT anymore. Unless im reading it wrong, they basically have to be traded or bought out to be removed from the cap.

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Even if they are, they cant be hidden in CT anymore. Unless im reading it wrong, they basically have to be traded or bought out to be removed from the cap.
Anything less than $900k in CT is off the cap. That's why Redden's hit is $5.6M (6.5-0.9). All of those players' contracts are less than $900k so they won't count in CT.

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It could only be a max of 6 years. What was the contract variance again? Wasn't it to stop the cap circumventing contracts?
Actually would it be signing your own player if the contract was agreed to while Gabby was still under contract?

Not that I want him signed again for 7 years or whatever, just wondering

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Redden hit is only $5.6M. Plus one of Gilroy, Bickel, Eminger will be waived.
Not only that, but CapGeek is autocalculating Redden on the roster without showing him. So he actually counted Redden on there for $12.1m

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Even if they are, they cant be hidden in CT anymore. Unless im reading it wrong, they basically have to be traded or bought out to be removed from the cap.
Their salaries would have to be over $900k for them to hit the Cap. None of those guys are.

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I've posted this a few times in different places. Gaborik WANTS to be in New York.
He bought an apartment. Not at the beginning of his contract, but last season.

On a side note, how do you guys feel about a Richards like deal for Gaby?
When Brad Richards retires with three years left, The Rangers will be royally screwed.

They will have a 5.7 million dollar charge for three years in a row.

That charge applys to old contracts.

The teams that did the front loading are ********d.

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Slats gets it done again. Good cap hit.

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Not only that, but CapGeek is autocalculating Redden on the roster without showing him. So he actually counted Redden on there for $12.1m



Their salaries would have to be over $900k for them to hit the Cap. None of those guys are.
Understood, thanks guys.

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When Brad Richards retires with three years left, The Rangers will be royally screwed.

They will have a 5.7 million dollar charge for three years in a row.

That charge applys to old contracts.

The teams that did the front loading are ********d.
Wait, a retiree's contract doesn't come off the books?

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01-13-2013, 10:20 AM
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Wait, a retiree's contract doesn't come off the books?
I thought only if the player signed when he was 35 or over? unless I missed something in the new CBA.

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good deal for MDZ, good deal for the Rangers, good deal for the Rangers fans that we can have the complete team start this sprint of a season.

Lets get it on in Beantown.

As an aside, back in early december, I scheduled an appointment for some ink Rangers related for January 19th. Perfect way to start the season with som rangers ink.

post the picture when it's done.


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When Brad Richards retires with three years left, The Rangers will be royally screwed.

They will have a 5.7 million dollar charge for three years in a row.

That charge applys to old contracts.

The teams that did the front loading are ********d.
doubt he retires with three years left

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Getting fed up with this "capgeek says we are over the cap" nonsense.

Here are the correct numbers
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YOUR 2013 NEW YORK RANGERS
FORWARDS (13)
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m) /one game supension/
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN (8)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Steve Eminger ($0.750m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m) / Matt Gilroy ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS (2)
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

AHL/Assigned to couch ($6,5M minus $900k = amount that counts against cap)
Wade Redden ($5.600m)

LTIR
Michael Sauer ($1.250m)

BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000
CAP PAYROLL: $68,708,334
BONUSES (deferrable): $1,250,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster + including Sauer on LTIR): $3,341,666
LTIR (Sauer) cushion: $1,250,000
DEAD MONEY (Redden + Drury): $8,166,667

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Great news.

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I suspect we'll be rebuilding in five years, so I'm not altogether worried about it.

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Wait, a retiree's contract doesn't come off the books?
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CAP ADVANTAGE RECAPTURE (Roberto Luongo Rule)
Teams receiving a “cap advantage” from long-term contracts — defined as seven years or more — will be penalized in the event the player retires or “defects” from the NHL before the contract expires. A team receives a “cap advantage” when the player’s actual salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year.
Following retirement/defection, the “advantage” will be “recaptured” and charged against the club’s cap in equal amounts each year until the contract expires. This penalty applies to any team that received a cap advantage from the contract — ie. a traded contract — except in the event that the trade occurred prior to the new CBA coming into place in January 2013.
The specifics of the penalty and exactly how it is calculated remain vague at this time.
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When Brad Richards retires with three years left, The Rangers will be royally screwed.

They will have a 5.7 million dollar charge for three years in a row.

That charge applys to old contracts.

The teams that did the front loading are ********d.
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Wait, a retiree's contract doesn't come off the books?
Which is why - not to take us too far OT - you have to consider "compliance-ing" Richie in the summer of '14. Depending on where the cap goes after next year and how he performs, keeping him could be less straightforward than folks are anticipating. If the cap is back up over $70MM for the '14-'15 season and Richie puts up, say, 70-75 points, in '13-'14? Sure, you probably keep him.

But, what if the cap comes in at like $67MM for '14-'15? The year everybody not named Richie, Nash or Staal is due a raise (note that this group now includes MDZ)? And Richie only scores 62 points in '13-'14? And he's going into his year 35 season with 6 years left at $6.67MM per year - whether he plays or retires. (And to further complicate things, what if Steps progresses to score more than Richie - or another, younger, top line center is available in UFA or via trade?)

I'm not saying it's a done deal, but you'd have to at least think about it.

I think the timing of MDZ's deal is actually good in that it allows Slats & co. to fit the jigsaw pieces together into what they view as the best possible puzzle going forward that summer - everything can be viewed in relationship to everything else and that dynamic gives you the best possible opportunity to retain the maximum value.

But, the results of that analysis could very well be using your 2nd compliance buyout on Richie - because the alternative may be to move someone else that's due a raise whom you would rather keep.


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Which is why - not to take us too far OT - you have to consider "compliance-ing" Richie in the summer of '14. Depending on where the cap goes after next year and how he performs, keeping him could be less straightforward than folks are anticipating. If the cap is back up over $70MM for the '14-'15 season and Richie puts up, say, 70-75 points, in '13-'14? Sure, you probably keep him.

But what if the cap comes in at like $67MM for '14-'15? With everybody not named Richie, Nash or Staal due a raise (note that that now includes MDZ)? And Richie only scores 62 points in '13-'14? And he's going into his year 35 season with 6 years left at $6.67MM per year - whether he plays or retires. (And to further complicate things, what if Steps progresses to score more than Richie? Or another, younger, top line center is available in UFA or via trade?)

I'm not saying it's a done deal, but you'd have to at least think about it.

I think the timing of MDZ's deal is actually good in that it allows Slats & co. to fit the jigsaw pieces together into what they view as the best possible puzzle going forward that summer - everything can be viewed in relationship to everything else and that dynamic gives you the best possible opportunity to retain the maximum value.

But, the results of that analysis could very well be using your 2nd compliance buyout on Richie - because the alternative may be to move someone else that's due a raise whom you would rather keep.
We could resign Prince Chad and Wase Redden then instead ...

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