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07-07-2012, 08:09 PM
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Datsyuk
Howard
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Kesler
Luongo
Edler


Blockbuster that helps Vancouver now and helps Detroit reshape the team for the present and keeps a strong core intact for the future.

Datsyuk >> Kesler
Howard < Luongo
Smith < Edler

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07-07-2012, 08:09 PM
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A dime-a-dozen goaltender and a good prospect as all the Hawks are giving up, and you honestly wouldn't make that trade as a Hawks fan?

Yeesh do some people underrate Luongo. Bizarre.
Some fans just can't comprehend that Luongo is a good goaltender because of their hatred for the Canucks, or, they just don't know a lot about hockey. Giving Luongo to Hawks for scraps would be one of MG's worst moves in his tenure as a Nucks GM. You simply don't give a very good goalie to a rival for anything than an overpayment.

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07-07-2012, 08:11 PM
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Without including our two most valuable players in the trade market and your best player, is there interest in Luongo from Detroit?

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07-07-2012, 08:12 PM
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Datsyuk
Howard
Smith



Kesler
Luongo
Edler


Blockbuster that helps Vancouver now and helps Detroit reshape the team for the present and keeps a strong core intact for the future.

Datsyuk >> Kesler
Howard < Luongo
Smith < Edler
Gillis hangs up immediately.

Sure, Datsyuk is better than Kesler, but the difference isn't Luongo and Edler for an average/above average starting goalie and a pretty good prospect.

Datsyuk > Kesler
Howard <<< Luongo
Smith <<< Edler

And Kesler is a much better fit for the Canucks than Datsyuk.

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07-07-2012, 08:14 PM
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I don't see how Detroit would be a partner... Howard is a good goaltender, and their needs are on the back end and with scoring.

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07-07-2012, 08:16 PM
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No.

As to the OP? No.
There's a reason you're an HF poster and not a GM. Anyone with a brain would pounce on that deal, in the Hawks point of view. Canucks say no without any hesitation.

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Agreed. Still think Hossa for Lou and late 1st makes sense.
Thanks for being reasonable.

Hawks fans need to consider 3 factors:

1) Hawks are an elite goalie away from the cup
2) Canucks and Hawks are conference rivals, thus requires overpayment
3) Canucks would waive Luongo instead of gifting him to Chicago for free.

Kane/Sharp for Luongo. Or Hossa + B prospect for Luongo + 1st round pick.

Value is there but in reality both teams would say no just because Chicago wouldn't overpay and we wouldn't want to make Chicago cup contenders again.

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07-07-2012, 08:17 PM
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Some fans just can't comprehend that Luongo is a good goaltender because of their hatred for the Canucks, or, they just don't know a lot about hockey. Giving Luongo to Hawks for scraps would be one of MG's worst moves in his tenure as a Nucks GM. You simply don't give a very good goalie to a rival for anything than an overpayment.
I guess if Luongo is traded to the Hawks, its because the Hawks made the best offer Luongo.

Would you rather give Luongo to a non rival team for a lesser return?


And it goes both way! Chicago is not going to trade Hossa to a rival team without an overpayment

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07-07-2012, 08:18 PM
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Datsyuk
Howard
Smith



Kesler
Luongo
Edler


Blockbuster that helps Vancouver now and helps Detroit reshape the team for the present and keeps a strong core intact for the future.

Datsyuk >> Kesler
Howard < Luongo
Smith < Edler
Except it doesn't help Vancouver now. Big hole on the second pairing and the number 1 PP unit with Edler gone, don't think Smith can fill in right now. Vancouver has no use for Howard, and I'm sure he wouldn't be content playing as a backup for the Canucks as hes proven he can handle a full season.

Vancouver gets much worse and Detroit gets way better.

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07-07-2012, 08:18 PM
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Gillis hangs up immediately.

Sure, Datsyuk is better than Kesler, but the difference isn't Luongo and Edler for an average starting goalie and a pretty good prospect.

Datsyuk > Kesler
Howard <<< Luongo
Smith <<< Edler

And Kesler is a much better fit for the Canucks than Datsyuk.
I have to disagree wit hthat. Luongo has atrack record of being inconsistent in BIG games so it's more of a Howard << Luongo. So I guess that does make the trade +1 > in their favor before you add in the Smith for Edler difference in >>. So I guess we can agree to disagree with our previous proposals. I said it was +0 as in < >, but I guess it is really -1 to Vancouver as in <. Not a <<< or a << thought. Just a < in exchange of proposals. So would a 1st rounder from Detroit even it up? Or switch Smith out for Kronwall?

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07-07-2012, 08:21 PM
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FYI Luongo is off to a great start at WSOP day 1A

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07-07-2012, 08:23 PM
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I have to disagree wit hthat. Luongo has atrack record of being inconsistent in BIG games so it's more of a Howard << Luongo. So I guess that does make the trade +1 > in their favor before you add in the Smith for Edler difference in >>. So I guess we can agree to disagree with our previous proposals. I said it was +0 as in < >, but I guess it is really -1 to Vancouver as in <. Not a <<< or a << thought. Just a < in exchange of proposals. So would a 1st rounder from Detroit even it up? Or switch Smith out for Kronwall?
In the end, the ">"s and "<"s mean nothing.

Datsyuk is better than Kesler by a little bit, but is 6 years old (and starting to decline) and has a higher cap hit (and is a UFA in 2 years), while Kesler has a very good cap hit for the next four seasons.

Edler is a proven top pairing defenseman, playing like a #1 d-man most of the time. Smith is an unproven prospect who hopes to be as good as Edler one day.

Luongo is a top 10 goalie that can play like a top 5 goalie some seasons. Howard is an above average starting goalie that the Canucks have no need for, and I doubt Howard would like being a backup.

In total, it's a horrible deal for Vancouver, great for Detroit.
Detroit adding a 1st round pick does nothing, or switching Smith with Kronwall does nothing. Kesler is a much better fit for the Canucks than Datsyuk. Edler is a much better fit for the Canucks than Smith/Kronwall.

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07-07-2012, 08:26 PM
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I have to disagree wit hthat. Luongo has atrack record of being inconsistent in BIG games so it's more of a Howard << Luongo. So I guess that does make the trade +1 > in their favor before you add in the Smith for Edler difference in >>. So I guess we can agree to disagree with our previous proposals. I said it was +0 as in < >, but I guess it is really -1 to Vancouver as in <. Not a <<< or a << thought. Just a < in exchange of proposals. So would a 1st rounder from Detroit even it up? Or switch Smith out for Kronwall?
The upgrade from Datsyuk from Kesler isn't worth Luongo and Edler off our roster. Smith would likely compete for a job, but probably wouldn't contribute greatly, let alone at Edlers level. Howard is essentially a dime a dozen back up to us. Remove Smith and Howard and Datsyuk, and remove Kesler and Edler...what would you give just for Luongo if you can ship out Howard in a separate deal?

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07-07-2012, 08:28 PM
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I guess if Luongo is traded to the Hawks, its because the Hawks made the best offer Luongo.

Would you rather give Luongo to a non rival team for a lesser return?


And it goes both way! Chicago is not going to trade Hossa to a rival team without an overpayment
Unless the Hawks are giving back one of Kane, Hossa, Sharp, or Seabrook, I highly doubt Luongo would go to the Hawks.

Luongo fills a bigger need than Hossa for the Hawks (goaltending). Hossa for us would improve our top six scoring. So, it really balances out. I say, Hossa for Luongo, 1st, prospect.

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07-07-2012, 08:29 PM
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Datsyuk
Howard
Smith



Kesler
Luongo
Edler


But seriously:

Luongo.... for.... Petrovic + Matthias

And let's call it a day....

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I just don't see Gillis trading a goaltender like Lou to a significant rival like Chicago who would once again becomes a cup contender.

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07-07-2012, 08:32 PM
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I can only imagine cap space is going the other way as well.

And in all honesty, I see no reason for the Panthers to do it unless it's a good deal. Luongo is unwanted by Vancouver and unneeded by most teams. The Panthers don't need him, either. I doubt this trade goes Vancouver's way by any means, with any trading partner.

Which is why, in the end, I just don't see it happening.

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07-07-2012, 08:38 PM
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Luongo for Franzen + 2nd?
And then Howard traded to Toronto for Kulemin/Macarthur+Liles?

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07-07-2012, 08:40 PM
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The upgrade from Datsyuk from Kesler isn't worth Luongo and Edler off our roster. Smith would likely compete for a job, but probably wouldn't contribute greatly, let alone at Edlers level. Howard is essentially a dime a dozen back up to us. Remove Smith and Howard and Datsyuk, and remove Kesler and Edler...what would you give just for Luongo if you can ship out Howard in a separate deal?

Howard
Det 1st
Sproul


Ryan



Franzen
Rufenach
Pulkkinen


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Yes?

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07-07-2012, 08:41 PM
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Howard
Det 1st
Sproul


Ryan



Franzen
Rufenach
Pulkkinen


Luongo


Yes?
Once again, you're trading a starting goalie to a team that doesn't need one (Anaheim).
And I doubt that's enough to get Bobby Ryan.

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07-07-2012, 08:44 PM
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Sproul


Ryan



Franzen
Rufenach
Pulkkinen


Luongo


Yes?
I would do it, but do the Ducks need Howard?

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Luongo for Franzen + 2nd?
And then Howard traded to Toronto for Kulemin/Macarthur+Liles?
I would be down. Anybody know Franzens cap hit/term off the top of their head (looking at Detroit fans).

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I would be down. Anybody know Franzens cap hit/term off the top of their head (looking at Detroit fans).
It's a tad bit under $4 mil per year for the next 8 seasons.

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So any sense in Leaf fans trying...or are we out.

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I would do it, but do the Ducks need Howard?
Howard the Duck??

Can't see it....

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You can exclude the Ducks from that one.

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