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07-08-2012, 11:51 AM
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The Pirates, Penguins, and Steelers get better tv ratings than the Cubs/Sox, Hawks, and Bears. Pittsburgh > Chicago
Post up the ratings. The Cubs have a national following.

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07-08-2012, 11:59 AM
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Do you have the numbers or is this a gut feeling?
These are the most updated #s I could find. I'm having trouble finding the final season #s though.

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincitie...es-wild-a.html

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There's been about 1500 season ticket packages sold, Zach Parise is on the radio now and it's been about 4 days straight of Wild talk. People are searching me out to discuss the team. Quite the difference from the February-April.
Good to hear.....Minnesota fans deserves a team to make the post season and make some noise.

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07-08-2012, 12:02 PM
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These are the most updated #s I could find. I'm having trouble finding the final season #s though.

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincitie...es-wild-a.html
Thank you.

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Good to hear.....Minnesota fans deserves a team to make the post season and make some noise.
I'll still take the Gophers.

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07-08-2012, 12:04 PM
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The Leafs sold-out every single game from 1985-1990.
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Toronto is an amazing hockey city. More loyalty to their franchise than any sports city ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Leaf_Gardens

Harold Ballard takes control: 19721990

The Leafs continued to sell out every game through the Ballard era, even as the team's performance went into steep decline
seriously, Wikipedia as a source?

As Munch said, it's not true. In the mid to late 80's walk up greys were available minutes before (and after) game time.

I know, because I was there. I saw several games. Some nights we had whole rows to ourselves. Those tickets were unsold.

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07-08-2012, 12:20 PM
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Post up the ratings. The Cubs have a national following.
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[Pittsburgh Penguins] highest local ratings of any U.S.-based NHL and NBA teams. In addition, this is the 3rd consecutive season that ROOT SPORTS Penguins Broadcasts has posted the highest local ratings of any U.S.-based NHL team.
http://pittsburgh.rootsports.com/Vie...CLID=205427162

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According to Root senior vice president Shawn McClintock, the Pirates’ local ratings are being matched or equaled only by the Tigers, Cardinals and Reds. Some nights, the Pirates are tallying the largest ratings of any major league team.
http://triblive.com/sports/2164805-8...root-run-total

I had trouble finding Cubs tv ratings and am too lazy too look. But Pirates ratings are higher.

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2. Pittsburgh Steelers; 45.6; 70
16. Chicago Bears; 27.2; 49
from 2010-11 season
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...977773&page=19

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07-08-2012, 12:27 PM
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http://pittsburgh.rootsports.com/Vie...CLID=205427162


http://triblive.com/sports/2164805-8...root-run-total

I had trouble finding Cubs tv ratings and am too lazy too look. But Pirates ratings are higher.


from 2010-11 season
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...977773&page=19
Fair. Interesting to find out that the Bears are not as popular as one would believe.

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07-08-2012, 01:15 PM
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Edmonton is a great hockey city, but I find we'rre mediocre at best for other sports. Sure we'll support major events (IAAF Track, etc) but the smaller leagues struggle here, IMO.

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07-08-2012, 01:31 PM
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Fair. Interesting to find out that the Bears are not as popular as one would believe.
Say that to anyone in Chicago and they'll call you nuts. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Boys Town that isn't a Bears fan.

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07-08-2012, 01:34 PM
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When's the last time Philly had consecutive bad years? And how much of that do you think has to do with population difference? Philly is about 5x the size of Pittsburgh. NYC is over 20x the size of Pittsburgh. And yet, more people watch hockey in Pittsburgh than in either of those cities. Not just a higher percentage. More actual people.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...atings-294009/
all of it. but some big market fans will have you believe their teams are run by savy business men, and the revenue streams are strong from diehard fans.

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07-08-2012, 01:39 PM
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Toronto should get some respect for being the only Canadian city to have a team in almost all the major leagues (you can include the nfl thanks to the bills). Hockey in general is definitely between Montreal and Toronto.

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07-08-2012, 01:40 PM
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It's got to be New York City, but Boston isn't far behind.

NFL: Patriots
NHL: Bruins
NBA: Celtics
MLB: Red Sox

Each of those teams has a great history, and has won a championship in recent memory. No other city can say that for all 4 major sports.

Note: Im not in any way a Boston fan

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07-08-2012, 01:44 PM
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It's got to be New York City, but Boston isn't far behind.

NFL: Patriots
NHL: Bruins
NBA: Celtics
MLB: Red Sox

Each of those teams has a great history, and has won a championship in recent memory. No other city can say that for all 4 major sports.

Note: Im not in any way a Boston fan
Funny thing is toronto is the complete opposite

NFL: Bills (arguably, closest thing we have)
NHL: Leafs
NBA: Raptors
MLB: Jays

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07-08-2012, 01:47 PM
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Funny thing is toronto is the complete opposite

NFL: Bills (arguably, closest thing we have)
NHL: Leafs
NBA: Raptors
MLB: Jays
Argos won a Grey Cup in 04

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I guess LA should be up there, how many pro teams do they have?
Not to mention sometime you have a couple of pleasing distractions behind the bench at hockey games

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Argos won a Grey Cup in 04
Not really a fan of the CFL

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07-08-2012, 01:56 PM
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Argos won a Grey Cup in 04
The rock had a dynasty. What's your point?

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07-08-2012, 04:04 PM
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So having a decrepit baseball team isn't an argument? Tv ratings my ass, have you been to a game at PNC park? I've been to multiple, and it's sad, more fans care about the stadium/park attractions than the game. If that's what you call "fans" I don't even know where to go with this....
ya I just went to a game last weekend. Going next weekend as well. I would love to find a city that doesn't lose some morale 20 years into the worst record in pro sports. We still watch the games in higher numbers than most other teams in the league. Like I said; as a city we tend to not like supporting owners with no intentions of winning. The Pirates and their owners are turning things around and PNC Park is packed.

Sorry, but if you aren't a really big city, losing streaks are going to hurt attendance. Every small market has it.

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07-08-2012, 04:41 PM
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Penguins are like the Phillies. Fans only show up when the team is doing good.

The Phillies had success in the 80's and namely '93, but were bad for most of the 90's. Finally got to the playoffs in '07 and won the WS in '08. Attendance shot up.

Pens attendance has been miserable for most of their existance.

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Pittsburgh - When people think about "hockey market", Pittsburgh is near the top of the list. Let's examine.

- The Penguins did not have their first sellout until their 4th year.
- The team's first year above 90% was 1986-87, their 20th year in the league.
- The team hit 80% only once in their first 19 seasons, that being 1972-73.
- Plenty of people have said that a team that can't put 12,000 people in the stands shouldn't have a team. Pittsburgh has always had a capacity greater than that, and have had below a 12,000 average no fewer than 19 times. They've also had fewer than 10 sellouts in 22 of their 43 seasons, greater than half.

By the way, it's the Penguins' media guide that provided all of this information. If they were fudging numbers, they sure didn't flatter themselves.
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Penguins are like the Phillies. Fans only show up when the team is doing good.

The Phillies had success in the 80's and namely '93, but were bad for most of the 90's. Finally got to the playoffs in '07 and won the WS in '08. Attendance shot up.

Pens attendance has been miserable for most of their existance.



http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...19&postcount=1
If we factor in history, sure Pittsburgh hasn't always been a great hockey town. But since we got rolling, it has been good ever since. Based on the timeframe of your data, I'm assuming you also found that Pittsburgh is a dirty smokey industrial town.

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07-08-2012, 04:49 PM
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Toronto is a mediocre sports city. Not too good and not too bad. We are talking big 4 so Argos or TFC don't count.
Maybe you should go back and read the original post to see for yourself what we should be talking about. The OP didn't specify that it has to be a part of the big four but even without the presence of its own NFL team, Toronto is still incoporated into the league with it's association to the Bills.

The OP outlined various factors to consider in terms of venue, fan support, representation across the board (big four wasn't specificed so I think it's fair enough to look at PROFESSIONAL leagues in North America) and they also looked at accessibility, venues, etc. You can talk about the big four all you like but know that you are specifying the prerequisties to this discussion for the sake of whatever argument you're trying to make.

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Maybe you should go back and read the original post to see for yourself what we should be talking about. The OP didn't specify that it has to be a part of the big four but even without the presence of its own NFL team, Toronto is still incoporated into the league with it's association to the Bills.

The OP outlined various factors to consider in terms of venue, fan support, representation across the board (big four wasn't specificed so I think it's fair enough to look at PROFESSIONAL leagues in North America) and they also looked at accessibility, venues, etc. You can talk about the big four all you like but know that you are specifying the prerequisties to this discussion for the sake of whatever argument you're trying to make.
My point was Toronto's support of teams outside the Leafs and Raptors is middle of the road for its size.

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Fair. Interesting to find out that the Bears are not as popular as one would believe.
What made you think the Cubs were popular? They're pretty much a joke.

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What made you think the Cubs were popular? They're pretty much a joke.
Honestly the fact people talk about them so much. I've been told they are like the second or third most popular baseball team.

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What made you think the Cubs were popular? They're pretty much a joke.
They have a massive following

Whenever they're good(which isn't often), they draw.

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