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09-03-2012, 06:53 PM
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Kane isn't skilled enough to make sure a team doesn't finished bottom 5 to making the playoffs.

Would make the team deeper, but it would cost us more than you, or anyone here thinks.
My thought is you really haven't watched Kane(Evander) play much and if he's available Bergevin will be interested.(No Doubt)

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The price is way too high. Habs are not in a position to teade any of their top prospects or our 2013 1st round draft pick.

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The price is way too high. Habs are not in a position to teade any of their top prospects or our 2013 1st round draft pick.
As is the price on Bobby Ryan but that doesn't stop the proposals for him.Kane will be a leader on a Stanley Cup team in the future,MMW' I just hope that team is the Habs.

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09-08-2012, 12:15 PM
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As is the price on Bobby Ryan but that doesn't stop the proposals for him.Kane will be a leader on a Stanley Cup team in the future,MMW' I just hope that team is the Habs.
Ryan and Kane arent on the same level IMO.

Kane is better/younger and more of the kind of kid i'd love to have on my team come playoff time.

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09-08-2012, 12:27 PM
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Ryan and Kane arent on the same level IMO.

Kane is better/younger and more of the kind of kid i'd love to have on my team come playoff time.
Agreed, Kane IMO is a bit similar to Pacioretty in size, skating and shooting abilities, but I think Kane still can get better, like a 70-90pts PF, while Pacio could become a 60-70pts sniper who can play physical from time to time.

If Winnipeg asked us for our 2013 1st and, I don't know, one of our 2nd for the rights to Kane, even though I think 2013 draft will be the best in years, I don't think I would pass on that, damn Kane is only 21 !

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Agreed, Kane IMO is a bit similar to Pacioretty in size, skating and shooting abilities, but I think Kane still can get better, like a 70-90pts PF, while Pacio could become a 60-70pts sniper who can play physical from time to time.

If Winnipeg asked us for our 2013 1st and, I don't know, one of our 2nd for the rights to Kane, even though I think 2013 draft will be the best in years, I don't think I would pass on that, damn Kane is only 21 !
If the Habs can make that trade I would take it and be really happy.Next summer Bergevin has a choice of two UFA's in Ryan Getzlaf & Corey Perry that would make the Habs top six a force to reckon with.Alongside Kane our young core of prospects coming up with veterans forwards like Plekanec,Bourque,Pacioretty,Cole,Eller and say Corey Perry will be a physical high scoring team.Add to those Prust,White,Moen,Galchenyuk,Leblanc and Geoffrion and the forwards would rival the best league wide.Defencemen & Price will also be top notch in a couple of years.


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Douglas Murray
Michal Handzus
Branden Mashinter


Rene Bourque
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Where do you put Handzus? 4th line?

I don't see San Jose doing that deal.
I do. I think San Jose would jump on this deal.

Murray had a bad year last year and is now expendable.

Handzus had a horrific year.

Both players are slow and don't entirely fit the system.

The most valuable piece is the 2nd rounder, and the second most valuable piece is Bourque. As such, San Jose pulls the trigger with ease.

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If the Habs can make that trade I would take it and be really happy.Next summer Bergevin has a choice of two UFA's in Ryan Getzlaf & Corey Perry that would make the Habs top six a force to reckon with.Alongside Kane our young core of prospects coming up with veterans forwards like Plekanec,Bourque,Pacioretty,Cole,Eller and say Corey Perry will be a physical high scoring team.Add to those Prust,White,Moen,Galchenyuk,Leblanc and Geoffrion and the forwards would rival the best league wide.Defencemen & Price will also be top notch in a couple of years.
Just think, Getzlaf and Perry could do for Montreal what they've done for Anaheim !!!

Personally, I would pass on Getzlaf. He's not a top-25 forward in the league, and he's going to be paid like he's a top-10 player. He could get a 10 year, 100 million dollar contract. If his name was Ratislav Gorbachev people would only be discussing his declining point production and his laziness. He is the next Zach Parise.

Corey Perry is a good player. A special player who can score 50 goals. We should offer 10 years, 100 million, and hope he picks us over the other teams.

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09-09-2012, 12:33 PM
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I do. I think San Jose would jump on this deal.

Murray had a bad year last year and is now expendable.

Handzus had a horrific year.

Both players are slow and don't entirely fit the system.

The most valuable piece is the 2nd rounder, and the second most valuable piece is Bourque. As such, San Jose pulls the trigger with ease.
Yes, but Montreal cannot do that deal.

There is a limit of 23 contracts on the big club, which we are at, and 50 professional contracts total, which we are either at or close.

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Yes, but Montreal cannot do that deal.

There is a limit of 23 contracts on the big club, which we are at, and 50 professional contracts total, which we are either at or close.
Contracts can be rid of, that's not really an issue. The problem is that for a team that has just drafted Galchenyuk with the 3rd overall pick and 0 offensive talent added during the summer, there's no way in hell that we will trade our 1st round pick without getting a top forward back.

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Contracts can be rid of, that's not really an issue. The problem is that for a team that has just drafted Galchenyuk with the 3rd overall pick and 0 offensive talent added during the summer, there's no way in hell that we will trade our 1st round pick without getting a top forward back.
The post I was responding to suggested trading the 2nd round pick.

Ridding contracts is not trivial. You can't just give away contracts in the NHL, you'll be in a position where you have to make bad trades.

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09-09-2012, 04:28 PM
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Yes, but Montreal cannot do that deal.

There is a limit of 23 contracts on the big club, which we are at, and 50 professional contracts total, which we are either at or close.
This is inconsequential, particularly since I stated the deal ought to be a non-starter from Montreal's end.

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09-13-2012, 11:41 PM
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The trades that can be made are for draft picks and I hope the Habs get as many picks in the 1st & 2nd rounds as possible.That would give them a great chance to pick a LW for the Galchenyuk line with Collberg at RW,say Hunter Shinkaruk for instance.of course the obvious LW Evander(Holyfield)er.. Kane being the obvious.


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The Habs need an intimidating defensemen in a #5/6 role. Tinordi ain't ready yet and we haven't had a defensmem like that since the 07/08 Komisarek days. Wonder who's available though? I would love somebody like Erskine or Mcquaid.

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The Habs need an intimidating defensemen in a #5/6 role. Tinordi ain't ready yet and we haven't had a defensmem like that since the 07/08 Komisarek days. Wonder who's available though? I would love somebody like Erskine or Mcquaid.
I don't think McQuaid is available from Boston and he has also been dealing with concussion issues in the last couple of years

Erskine I wouldn't mind but he cannot play 82 games a year, his role would need to be very limited

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Ryan O'Byrne?
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I do. I think San Jose would jump on this deal.

Murray had a bad year last year and is now expendable.

Handzus had a horrific year.

Both players are slow and don't entirely fit the system.

The most valuable piece is the 2nd rounder, and the second most valuable piece is Bourque. As such, San Jose pulls the trigger with ease.
Murray may be expendable but he is worth more than a 2nd rounder.

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09-18-2012, 11:46 PM
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Murray may be expendable but he is worth more than a 2nd rounder.
exactly...

and calling him "expendable" is quite misleading in the first place.

he was still 4th in ice time for sharks d-men, a team that was top-10 in GA & top-5 in ES GA.
(he was 2nd in PK ice time, but their pk was brutal...)

unless he were to regress seriously this year, come deadline he'd easily be worth a 2nd round pick, lesser players regularly go for that much.

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I do. I think San Jose would jump on this deal.

Murray had a bad year last year and is now expendable.

Handzus had a horrific year.

Both players are slow and don't entirely fit the system.

The most valuable piece is the 2nd rounder, and the second most valuable piece is Bourque. As such, San Jose pulls the trigger with ease.
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This is inconsequential, particularly since I stated the deal ought to be a non-starter from Montreal's end.
don't see your logic here.

- while Therrien has been here before, and we last saw him in Pitt, how can any of us talk about "fitting the system" before we've even seen a pre-season version of how the habs will play?

- Bourque is pretty fast, didn't "fit" our system (or Calgary's) at all last season despite it

- if Handzus, with ~3min/game less of ice time, less than 1/2 the PP time, and virtually no ice time with SJ's top-6 forwards, had a "horrific" year while putting up 24pts/67 games, what do you call Bourque's 24pts/76games despite getting more than double the PP time and playing mostly with both Calgary & Montreal's top-6 forwards?


What benefit could it be for a contending team like the Sharks to diminish their NHL veteran depth, while adding a winger with a very questionable commitment level coming off of a terrible season (and really, he's been pretty bad for most of the past 2 seasons... ever since signing his long-term extension his level of play has dropped, living in Calgary that was evident well before Gauthier pulled the trigger).

The only "benefit" would be to clear some cap room, but with them sitting at ~5M$ in 2012-13 cap space (new CBA non-withstanding), adding 1.7M$ in cap room with no quality UFA's left would really make no sense... especially since it means that instead of having an extra 5M$ of cap room in the summer of 2013 (with Demers/Clowe needing new deals), they'd have 3.3M$ less to spend thanks to Bourque's deal.

an additional 2nd round pick, even for a team with a thin prospect pool, doesn't seem like nearly enough incentive in terms of what their organizational needs/focus is... and again, if Murray is "expendable", trading him at the deadline could quite easily get them a 2nd round pick without having to take on Bourque's contract and while retaining handzus's veteran presence.


I can see the case being made that it doesn't help us enough to warrant giving up a 2nd round pick... fair enough... though I suppose that depends on how bullish one is on our current roster.

Despite the gloom and doom of some, I see our team as being closer to a top-6 team then bottom-6, and Murray (as a bottom pairing, even strength gritty D presence) and Handzus (as a big bodied veteran centre who can anchor a 4th line giving it a better scoring/face-off combo than either Noke or White) would be the kind of veteran additions that could help push us to the higher end of the 6-10 slot we're likely to be sitting in.

losing Bourque in theory hurts our top-9 winger depth, which is thin, but in practice he looked terrible on Plekanec's wing, doesn't complement Eller, and it would be silly to put him on DD's line by default simply b/c he might be able to leech of enough goals to make us feel better about his long-term deal.

The 2nd is the best asset in the deal, but it's the kind of asset we'll end up moving in-season if the team is looking good and MB wants to add veteran depth heading into the playoff push... with 3 of them in place, it would be much smarter to make the addition early, giving everyone more time to get comfortable (not too mention giving the roster a bump from day one), then to wait until the trade market heats up, likely meaning we'd be getting even less return for that pick.


solid "No" for the Sharks, soft "Yes" for us... that's how i see it.


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Douglas Murray
Michal Handzus
Branden Mashinter


Rene Bourque
1 of our 2013 2nds

Thoughts?
The price to gain a dman like Murray is steep but definitely worth it to a playoff bound team.The Habs have many centers in the system that will be ready to play the 3rd & 4th line spots,soon enough.Trading a player like Bourque,a proven big body veteran that can score is hard to find and he will regain his form.Last season was an aberration for all Habs,Bourque will be the asset the Habs wanted and the 2nd pick could be integral in moving up for an "Elite Winger" in the 2013 Draft.The biggest need for the immediate future is a uber-talented player to complement Galchenyuk IMO after that is a quality backup for Price that can share the load when the Habs are vying for the SC in 3-4yrs.

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An outside the box attempt to solve the ?????-Plekanec-Gionta problem? Worst case scenario, he was always an effective fourth liner. Best case, he's gained strength while overseas and his KHL production translates to the NHL.

http://oilersnation.com/2012/10/2/an...trick-thoresen

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An outside the box attempt to solve the ?????-Plekanec-Gionta problem? Worst case scenario, he was always an effective fourth liner. Best case, he's gained strength while overseas and his KHL production translates to the NHL.

http://oilersnation.com/2012/10/2/an...trick-thoresen
mmm I really don't know KHL as less games, the Ice size is diffenrent, the game play is no where near NHL ... He is a small player who would play a good style but not along PLEKY and GIO who are small guys too !! but who know !

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mmm I really don't know KHL as less games, the Ice size is diffenrent, the game play is no where near NHL ... He is a small player who would play a good style but not along PLEKY and GIO who are small guys too !! but who know !
I'll be interested to see how he does the rest of this season, as the level of play should be higher, with so many great NHL'ers crossing the pond.

I'll also be curious to see how ex and current NHL'ers do on the same team, compared with Thor. So far, Kovalchuk is scoring at around the same pace, with Prucha and Afinogenov lagging behind - http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...050332013.html

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If the NHL plays this season and the Habs falter,then I would truly like to see them trade for another 1st round pick.This might enable them to draft both Drouin and Carrier in the 1st round,Duclair,Gauthier and Mantha in the 2nd round and Baptiste in the 3rd round,giving the Habs the old flavor of the Flying Frenchmen again.Something as an old time Hab fan I have sorely missed and would love to see once more.

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If the NHL plays this season and the Habs falter,then I would truly like to see them trade for another 1st round pick.This might enable them to draft both Drouin and Carrier in the 1st round,Duclair,Gauthier and Mantha in the 2nd round and Baptiste in the 3rd round,giving the Habs the old flavor of the Flying Frenchmen again.Something as an old time Hab fan I have sorely missed and would love to see once more.
If we suck enough that we are unloading quality players for draft picks (which makes us even worse) I want Sasha Barkov. I don't care about where someone is from and a Galchenyk/Barkov 1-2 punch would be epic.

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If the Habs can make that trade I would take it and be really happy.Next summer Bergevin has a choice of two UFA's in Ryan Getzlaf & Corey Perry that would make the Habs top six a force to reckon with.Alongside Kane our young core of prospects coming up with veterans forwards like Plekanec,Bourque,Pacioretty,Cole,Eller and say Corey Perry will be a physical high scoring team.Add to those Prust,White,Moen,Galchenyuk,Leblanc and Geoffrion and the forwards would rival the best league wide.Defencemen & Price will also be top notch in a couple of years.
Guess there won't be 28 other teams bidding for Getz and Perry. Easy peasy.

Almost no chance we get either of them.

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