HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The Trade Proposal Thread ‎2012 4.0

View Poll Results: Who would you rather?
Johnny Quick 38 40.86%
Henry Lundquist 55 59.14%
Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-30-2013, 08:53 PM
  #951
vokiel
I hate blind passes
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Montréal
Country: Martinique
Posts: 7,235
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxpac View Post
Where would we put Despres? In 2 years our 3 left defensmen should be Beaulieu, Gorges and Tinordi. My guess it's going to be those 3 for a very, very long time.
Fine, Despres + ... for Gorges + ...

vokiel is offline  
Old
01-30-2013, 09:24 PM
  #952
Aceekay
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Yellowknife
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,652
vCash: 500
Colorado: Ryan o'reilly

Montreal: cole, eller/desharnais +prospect+pick

Aceekay is offline  
Old
01-30-2013, 10:22 PM
  #953
Habskrieg
Registered User
 
Habskrieg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Montreal
Country: Armenia
Posts: 3,611
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceekay View Post
Colorado: Ryan o'reilly

Montreal: cole, eller/desharnais +prospect+pick


LOL. No. Look, O'Reilly played well in his last season. But not sufficiently enough to give that much for an unproven player. Not to mention that if we do acquire him, he will not want to sign a bridge contract.


Haha, that was funny.

Habskrieg is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 02:26 AM
  #954
Aceekay
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Yellowknife
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,652
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupmonger View Post


LOL. No. Look, O'Reilly played well in his last season. But not sufficiently enough to give that much for an unproven player. Not to mention that if we do acquire him, he will not want to sign a bridge contract.


Haha, that was funny.
I agree that he is unproven but the trade value for cole desharnais/eller isn't as good as you think it is, however it is an overpayment but I doubt Colorado does this since they're pretty high on him. For clarification a pick does necasserily mean Nathan beaulieu and a 2nd. It could be Darren dietz and a 4th.

So you're telling me you wouldn't do cole desharnais a 4th and Darren dietz for o'reilly? I can understand the skeptisicism, but trading for o'reilly is definitely something we should ponder.

Aceekay is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 09:11 AM
  #955
otto bond
Registered User
 
otto bond's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,986
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceekay View Post
I agree that he is unproven but the trade value for cole desharnais/eller isn't as good as you think it is, however it is an overpayment but I doubt Colorado does this since they're pretty high on him. For clarification a pick does necasserily mean Nathan beaulieu and a 2nd. It could be Darren dietz and a 4th.

So you're telling me you wouldn't do cole desharnais a 4th and Darren dietz for o'reilly? I can understand the skeptisicism, but trading for o'reilly is definitely something we should ponder.
Well I for one think that Cole will be usefull down the line. DD is losing value faster then a new car.
I would move Eller++ for ROR at this point or perhaps shop him around. He doesn't have an identity and has become rather frustrating to watch. He has tools, size and a decent contract that could interest some teams. I just don't think he will find his game here.

otto bond is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 09:26 AM
  #956
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 31,432
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceekay View Post
Colorado: Ryan o'reilly

Montreal: cole, eller/desharnais +prospect+pick
Pass.

O'reilly is looking for 5 mil/year, if you have to trade for a guy and still give him top money why not keep the assets and spend on a UFA...similar to Burke's horrible Kessel trade.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 09:33 AM
  #957
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 31,432
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by otto bond View Post
Well I for one think that Cole will be usefull down the line. DD is losing value faster then a new car.
I would move Eller++ for ROR at this point or perhaps shop him around. He doesn't have an identity and has become rather frustrating to watch. He has tools, size and a decent contract that could interest some teams. I just don't think he will find his game here.
I don't see the point of shopping guys like Eller or DD after 5 games, that would be a panic move if I ever saw one. Eller had a solid year last year with mostly crappy wingers. Preseason and training camp just ended FFS. It usually takes 3 weeks of training camp and exhibitions to get to game 1.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 09:48 AM
  #958
otto bond
Registered User
 
otto bond's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,986
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey Price View Post
I don't see the point of shopping guys like Eller or DD after 5 games, that would be a panic move if I ever saw one. Eller had a solid year last year with mostly crappy wingers. Preseason and training camp just ended FFS. It usually takes 3 weeks of training camp and exhibitions to get to game 1.
Well for me, I just don't see it from Eller. Last year was not a solid year for him IMO. I don't care for his play especialy offensivelly. I will go on and say that a playmaking winger could be nice on his side. He needs a spark like he did last year.

otto bond is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 10:32 AM
  #959
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 31,432
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by otto bond View Post
Well for me, I just don't see it from Eller. Last year was not a solid year for him IMO. I don't care for his play especialy offensivelly. I will go on and say that a playmaking winger could be nice on his side. He needs a spark like he did last year.
It's still only 5 games, in a season with no training camp and with a new coach and GM.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 02:01 PM
  #960
HCH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The Wild West
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,744
vCash: 500
If I could pick up a depth guy who could be used as our #6 or #7 defenseman while adding some size and muscle, I would look at Washington to see if John Erskine is available. He is old enough that he would probably be gone by the time Tinordi is ready at at 6'4 220 he suits our needs much better than Kaberle or Weber.

Despite playing only 3 games so far this year, he leads the team in hits and would be second on the Habs behind Emelin. He has blocked an average of 2 shots per game which would rank him 3rd on the Habs. I realize these are just stats but he plays with an edge that the team lacks on the blueline at the moment.

HCH is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 02:18 PM
  #961
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 31,432
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HCH View Post
If I could pick up a depth guy who could be used as our #6 or #7 defenseman while adding some size and muscle, I would look at Washington to see if John Erskine is available. He is old enough that he would probably be gone by the time Tinordi is ready at at 6'4 220 he suits our needs much better than Kaberle or Weber.

Despite playing only 3 games so far this year, he leads the team in hits and would be second on the Habs behind Emelin. He has blocked an average of 2 shots per game which would rank him 3rd on the Habs. I realize these are just stats but he plays with an edge that the team lacks on the blueline at the moment.
Yeah I would be ok with trading Weber for a pick(2nd or 3rd) and trading for a guy like that, hopefully getting a better pick in the process. Wonder if they would swap Kaberle-Erskine?

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 08:10 PM
  #962
BrimStone64
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,578
vCash: 500
If we fall out of race how about trading Markov for Craig Rivet type return?

I was thinking Markov for Ouelette, first round pick and Flippura? Then flip him

BrimStone64 is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 08:16 PM
  #963
Lebowski
Registered User
 
Lebowski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 6,168
vCash: 500
If the Habs are out of the playoff picture by the deadline and Markov keeps up the good play, would you guys like something like this to happen?

To Pittsburgh

Andrei Markov

To Montréal

Simon Desprès
1st rounded 2013

Lebowski is offline  
Old
01-31-2013, 08:17 PM
  #964
Lebowski
Registered User
 
Lebowski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 6,168
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
If we fall out of race how about trading Markov for Craig Rivet type return?

I was thinking Markov for Ouelette, first round pick and Flippura? Then flip him
Did you watch the Pens- Rags intermission?

Also, you won't get that type of return from Detroit. Filpulla has turned out into a pretty decent offensive player and I'm not sure Detroit would let him go...

Lebowski is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 02:25 AM
  #965
Ubercron9000
Registered User
 
Ubercron9000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 795
vCash: 500
Im not a tanker or a "we need more french speaking players on the team guy", but I did like a trade proposal of subban and eller for couturier and a 1st. A big centreman that we want.

We can maybe flip dehairnais for niklas hjarmalsson and a second or the second is vice versa. which we can maybe flip weber for a second?

Cole-Couturier-Pacioretty
Gionta-Plekanecs-bourque
Gallagher-Galchenyuk-prust
Moen-White-Armstrong

Markov-Emelin
Diaz-Gorges
hjarmalsson-Boumieser

price
budaj

In terms of prospects I expect tinordi to replace boumieser next year. We have a guy like nygren progressing nicely and beaulieu in the mix. We should have some good depth and we won't need to rush our defenseman.

have 2 firsts and 4 seconds.

Ubercron9000 is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 03:30 AM
  #966
Aceekay
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Yellowknife
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,652
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubercron9000 View Post
Im not a tanker or a "we need more french speaking players on the team guy", but I did like a trade proposal of subban and eller for couturier and a 1st. A big centreman that we want.

We can maybe flip dehairnais for niklas hjarmalsson and a second or the second is vice versa. which we can maybe flip weber for a second?

Cole-Couturier-Pacioretty
Gionta-Plekanecs-bourque
Gallagher-Galchenyuk-prust
Moen-White-Armstrong

Markov-Emelin
Diaz-Gorges
hjarmalsson-Boumieser

price
budaj

In terms of prospects I expect tinordi to replace boumieser next year. We have a guy like nygren progressing nicely and beaulieu in the mix. We should have some good depth and we won't need to rush our defenseman.

have 2 firsts and 4 seconds.
Couturier isn't a first line centre and he sure as hell isn't worth subban and eller and I don't believe Philly is going to miss so you're looking at a late mid round pick. If we can be assured its a top ten pick I might do it, but they still have add another piece.

Aceekay is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 04:11 AM
  #967
BrimStone64
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,578
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lebowski View Post
Did you watch the Pens- Rags intermission?

Also, you won't get that type of return from Detroit. Filpulla has turned out into a pretty decent offensive player and I'm not sure Detroit would let him go...
No, just an idea. What did it say in their intermisson?

Habs won't deal Markov. I would but they won't. I would trade Markov at the deadline for a stud prospect or its equal. Then draft a Drouin, take freed up cash from Markov trade and sign a Corey Perry. Then team has enough fire power to contend for Cup. Way they are now Habs finish touch over .500, gone in first round of playoffs and draft the next Louis Leblanc or Nathan Beaulieu.

BrimStone64 is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 08:41 AM
  #968
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 33,335
vCash: 256
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lebowski View Post
If the Habs are out of the playoff picture by the deadline and Markov keeps up the good play, would you guys like something like this to happen?

To Pittsburgh

Andrei Markov

To Montréal

Simon Desprès
1st rounded 2013
It's a very interesting offer but the problem is Markov still has a year on his deal, not sure the Habs will want to move him this year especially if he proves that he is fully recovered and can stay healthy. I think we will keep him and if next year we have a bad year he might be traded away for some assets

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 09:08 AM
  #969
otto bond
Registered User
 
otto bond's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,986
vCash: 500
I'm not sure if Markov has a ntc but if we are 12-15 spot....there would be some interesting proposal. I still say we should keep him but if there's a team offereing something like a bluechip prospect,a 1st ++, then you have to consider it.

otto bond is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 12:22 PM
  #970
Beendair Donedat
Registered User
 
Beendair Donedat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,693
vCash: 500
How about offering up Le Jeune Veber for Cory Sarich. Habs get a right handed physical defenseman and the Flames get a decent prospect piece with offensive talent. Habs move Kaberle after that for prospects/picks and you've have:

Markov - Diaz
Gorges - Subban
Emelin - Sarich

Thoughts?

Beendair Donedat is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 01:20 PM
  #971
LaTenderness
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Peterborough
Posts: 639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beendair Donedat View Post
How about offering up Le Jeune Veber for Cory Sarich. Habs get a right handed physical defenseman and the Flames get a decent prospect piece with offensive talent. Habs move Kaberle after that for prospects/picks and you've have:

Markov - Diaz
Gorges - Subban
Emelin - Sarich

Thoughts?
Only of Souray promises to stop by every few weeks to one punch Sarich for our viewing pleasure

LaTenderness is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 01:38 PM
  #972
Beendair Donedat
Registered User
 
Beendair Donedat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,693
vCash: 500
I'd rather Souray but all the professionals here said he was done years ago.

Beendair Donedat is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 02:04 PM
  #973
CanadienShark
Registered User
 
CanadienShark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,703
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubercron9000 View Post
Im not a tanker or a "we need more french speaking players on the team guy", but I did like a trade proposal of subban and eller for couturier and a 1st. A big centreman that we want.

We can maybe flip dehairnais for niklas hjarmalsson and a second or the second is vice versa. which we can maybe flip weber for a second?

Cole-Couturier-Pacioretty
Gionta-Plekanecs-bourque
Gallagher-Galchenyuk-prust
Moen-White-Armstrong

Markov-Emelin
Diaz-Gorges
hjarmalsson-Boumieser

price
budaj

In terms of prospects I expect tinordi to replace boumieser next year. We have a guy like nygren progressing nicely and beaulieu in the mix. We should have some good depth and we won't need to rush our defenseman.

have 2 firsts and 4 seconds.
If anything, I'd have Galchenyuk on our second line with Couts on our third. Plekanec is undoubtedly our #1.

CanadienShark is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 03:30 PM
  #974
Dharvey33
Registered User
 
Dharvey33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,978
vCash: 500
Hearing rumors about Eller going to chicago for either Stalberg or Bickell. Not a big fan of this i would ask for danault plus 2nd Eller still has some good value.

Stalberg plus 2nd could be interesting too since Stalberg is a player capable of playing top 6 minutes when needed.

Dharvey33 is offline  
Old
02-01-2013, 03:59 PM
  #975
Habsterix*
@Habsterix
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,475
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dharvey33 View Post
Hearing rumors about Eller going to chicago for either Stalberg or Bickell. Not a big fan of this i would ask for danault plus 2nd Eller still has some good value.

Stalberg plus 2nd could be interesting too since Stalberg is a player capable of playing top 6 minutes when needed.
Where did you hear that?

Habsterix* is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:44 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.