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Wild 27 11.34%
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07-08-2012, 11:32 AM
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The Canucks should win the NW as the have the team cohesion you can ony get for playing together for a couple years. and the are still supremey talented as a team.

The Wild are entering the 2nd year under Yeo, with multiple new people in important positions. And with last year's multiple injuries, these guys are still trying to get used to playing together.

But I certainly expect that by 2014-2015, the Wild should start being right at the top of the division competing with Edmonton, while Vanny start to regress.

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07-08-2012, 11:41 AM
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this is crazy talk. Canucks should rise out of the NW as the leaders once again.

now, if the question was who wins the season series it should be a little closer.

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07-08-2012, 11:57 AM
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Lol what a poll. Canuck AINEC.

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07-08-2012, 12:44 PM
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Uh Vancouver....

Minny should definitely be improved but not division winning improved.

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07-08-2012, 01:06 PM
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The team that won the President's Trophy the last two seasons will finish higher than the team that finished in the bottom 10 the last two seasons.

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07-08-2012, 02:33 PM
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I would honestly take Parise/Heatley/Koivu over Sedin/Sedin/Burrows, and I'm one of the most loyal Canuck fans you will find.

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07-08-2012, 02:39 PM
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This poll is ridiculous and that's not me being arrogant.
The Wild have certainly improved, but it's really unlikely that they even seriously threaten for the division.

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07-08-2012, 02:47 PM
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I think it's more of a fair question at this point to ask if the wild make the playoffs this year. It's possible that they could win the division, anything could happen, but for making a prediction at this point, there is no way the wild win it over the canucks.

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07-08-2012, 02:48 PM
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The Wild improved greatly, but are still well behind the Canucks.

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07-08-2012, 04:37 PM
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I would honestly take Parise/Heatley/Koivu over Sedin/Sedin/Burrows, and I'm one of the most loyal Canuck fans you will find.
I wouldn't, but it's close. The Sedins are the two best players out of those six. Burrows doesn't compare to any of them though. Switch Burrows with Kesler and there is absolutely no comparison.

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07-08-2012, 04:38 PM
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Canucks. Sedins + Kesler + Edler + Hamhuis + Schneider > Parise + Suter

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I think Minnesota will surprise many and rumble to a 12th place finish in the west. They just aren't very deep after their first line and first D pairing, and Backstrom is getting older. Prospects are still a little ways away from being true NHLers.

Look at Anaheim. They have a great first line and after that, it's slim pickins. They had no D besides Fowler and Beauchemin. And their goalie fell ill. With depth that team is scary.

We'll see though

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No debate. Vancouver.

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07-08-2012, 04:56 PM
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Canucks. Sedins + Kesler + Edler + Hamhuis + Schneider > Parise + Suter
Yeah leave out wild's best player Mikko Koivu and their future's best player Mikael Granlund.

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Canucks. Sedins + Kesler + Edler + Hamhuis + Schneider > Parise + Suter
That comparison makes no sense.

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If Heatley can find his game than Minny but with out that its Vancouver.

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I would honestly take Parise/Heatley/Koivu over Sedin/Sedin/Burrows, and I'm one of the most loyal Canuck fans you will find.
Honestly, no. Not even close. The Sedins are two 100+ point scorers and have a Hart, Lindsay, and two Art Rosses between them. Burrows is a 25-35 goal scorer who plays in every situation.

H. Sedin>>>Kovu
D. Sedin>>Parise

Heatley may be better than Burrows but I'd much rather have Burrows on my team, as he's a clutch, heart and soul player who puts up 25-35 goals and plays in every situation.

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07-08-2012, 05:00 PM
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That comparison makes no sense.
Agreed. But:
Vancouver > Minnesota

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07-08-2012, 05:04 PM
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Yeah leave out wild's best player Mikko Koivu and their future's best player Mikael Granlund.
Except Kesler and H Sedin are both better than Koivu. Granlund is still all potential.

I'm not bashing on Minnesota. I really hope they make the playoffs next season. But the Canucks is better on paper and based on the last couple seasons.

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Except Kesler and H Sedin are both better than Koivu. Granlund is still all potential.

I'm not bashing on Minnesota. I really hope they make the playoffs next season. But the Canucks is better on paper and based on the last couple seasons.
I think Koivu is atleast as good as Kesler.

Over the last 3 years Koivu has 106 ES points in 206 games for a ppg at ES of .514

Kesler has 113 ES points in 241 games for a ppg at ES of .469

Admittedly Kesler did play part of this year injured but I do think Koivu is atleast as good as Kesler.

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That comparison makes no sense.
it clearly makes sense. Five players are better than two players. That's just simple math.


seriously though, Vancouver is clearly the best team in the division (though likely not the conference anymore) and Minnesota is a distant no. 2. I think the standings will be

Vancouver with 100 points, 3rd in the conference
Minnesota/Colorado with 95 points, 7-10th in conference
Calgary with 90 points, 9-12th in conference
Edmonton with 80 points, 14th in conference

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it clearly makes sense. Five players are better than two players. That's just simple math.


seriously though, Vancouver is clearly the best team in the division (though likely not the conference anymore) and Minnesota is a distant no. 2. I think the standings will be

Vancouver with 100 points, 3rd in the conference
Minnesota/Colorado with 95 points, 7-10th in conference
Calgary with 90 points, 9-12th in conference
Edmonton with 80 points, 14th in conference
I don't think anyone is poised to finish ahead of Vancouver, unless Kesler is out until December. Nashville and Detroit both regressed, while Chicago stayed pretty much the same. I also think St. Louis was a bit of an anomaly and won't finish with as many points as they did this last season (but still over 100). And Los Angeles doesn't strike as much of a regular season team, even though I still think they'll win their division.

I'd be surprised if Vancouver doesn't win the West for the third straight year. But I really think they'll be in tough, against Pittsburgh, for the President's Trophy.

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07-08-2012, 06:42 PM
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Im not even sure Minny is a playoff team, that defense is possibly the worst in the league.
Their defense was not even close to worst in the league. Their offense was, once they had a billion injuries.

But they signed a 31 Goal scorer and a defenseman that had 41 assists. Plus Granlund coming in.

If they don't really screw up or have a billion injuries again, they are definately a playoff team.

8th place does count as a playoff team.

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07-08-2012, 06:47 PM
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[QUOTE=Anomander Rake;52291011]Sedin/Sedin/Burrows > Koivu/Parise/Heatley
Kesler/Booth/Higgins > Cullen/Bouchard/Setoguchi
Schroeder/Hansen/Raymond < Brodziak/Clutterbuck/Powe
Malholtra/Lapierre/Kassian > Whoever is the fourth line for the Wild

Hamhuis/Bieksa =< Suter/Gilbert
Edler/Garrison > Scandella/Spurgeon
Tanev/Ballard >= Minnesota's third pairing

Schneider < Backstrom, but only slightly

You forgot Torrey Mitchell, Konopka, Dowell, Granlund, Brodin, and Stoner.

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I don't think anyone is poised to finish ahead of Vancouver, unless Kesler is out until December. Nashville and Detroit both regressed, while Chicago stayed pretty much the same. I also think St. Louis was a bit of an anomaly and won't finish with as many points as they did this last season (but still over 100). And Los Angeles doesn't strike as much of a regular season team, even though I still think they'll win their division.

I'd be surprised if Vancouver doesn't win the West for the third straight year. But I really think they'll be in tough, against Pittsburgh, for the President's Trophy.
LA and STL were both some of the best possession teams in the league (3rd and 1st iirc), their success was the real deal. LA's entire core besides maybe Mitchell improves with another year's growth, ditto STL. Vancouver is good but by every metric declined last year, combined with lateral moves in FA, the threat of losing Luongo, and the Sedins reverting back to PPG players makes me dubious about them staying at the top of the conference.

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