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Minnesota Wild vs Vancouver Canucks

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Wild 27 11.34%
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07-08-2012, 07:28 PM
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Canucks this year, In 2 years I predict Minnesota, Edmonton, and Colorado being better then Vancouver

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07-08-2012, 08:01 PM
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Minnesota will be a playoff bubble team. Their center depth is below average at worst, inexperienced with potential at best. Their depth on defense isn't fantastic, either.

They have good depth on the wings if Seto and Heater can return to form, but neither have given any indication that will happen.

Vancouver by a country mile.

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07-08-2012, 08:03 PM
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Sedin/Sedin/Burrows > Koivu/Parise/Heatley
Kesler/Booth/Higgins > Cullen/Bouchard/Setoguchi
Schroeder/Hansen/Raymond < Brodziak/Clutterbuck/Powe
Malholtra/Lapierre/Kassian > Whoever is the fourth line for the Wild

Hamhuis/Bieksa =< Suter/Gilbert
Edler/Garrison > Scandella/Spurgeon
Tanev/Ballard >= Minnesota's third pairing

Schneider < Backstrom, but only slightly

You forgot Torrey Mitchell, Konopka, Dowell, Granlund, Brodin, and Stoner.
I missed Granlund, but the other guys where depth last year and would be on the third pairing/fourth line unless their development takes a step forward.

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07-08-2012, 08:34 PM
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Canucks are still the favorite for NW division at the moment and it's not very close.

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07-08-2012, 08:34 PM
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Minnesota will be a playoff bubble team. Their center depth is below average at worst, inexperienced with potential at best. Their depth on defense isn't fantastic, either.

They have good depth on the wings if Seto and Heater can return to form, but neither have given any indication that will happen.

Vancouver by a country mile.
Our center depth is fine. Koivu, Granlund, Cullen, Brodziak, Mitchell, Powe, and Konopka are all natural centers. Some will be forced to play wing this year because we have so many.

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07-08-2012, 08:36 PM
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Canucks have a solid group, good enough to win lots of games they don't play well in. Wild are improved and looking pretty solid as well. Canucks should win the division but I won't be surprised if they have a fall back season and finish 5 or 6.

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07-08-2012, 08:53 PM
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Our center depth is fine. Koivu, Granlund, Cullen, Brodziak, Mitchell, Powe, and Konopka are all natural centers. Some will be forced to play wing this year because we have so many.
Forgive me while I shake with fear at collective talent of Cullen, Brodziak, Mitchell, Powe, and Konopka.

Quantity does not = quality. Koivu is your only real threat at center, but can't stay healthy to save his life. Granlund has a ton of potential but is completely unproven at this point. The rest are either on the decline, or fourth line scrubs on a contending team.

This is what quality depth at center looks like:

Giroux, Briere, Couterier, Schenn
Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Stoll
Crosby, Malkin, Sutter, Kennedy
Sedin, Kesler, Malhotra, Pahlsson

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07-08-2012, 09:13 PM
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Forgive me while I shake with fear at collective talent of Cullen, Brodziak, Mitchell, Powe, and Konopka.

Quantity does not = quality. Koivu is your only real threat at center, but can't stay healthy to save his life. Granlund has a ton of potential but is completely unproven at this point. The rest are either on the decline, or fourth line scrubs on a contending team.

This is what quality depth at center looks like:

Giroux, Briere, Couterier, Schenn
Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Stoll
Crosby, Malkin, Sutter, Kennedy
Sedin, Kesler, Malhotra, Pahlsson
No that is what leagues' best teams at center depth look like. Although I would take Brodziak over Sutter and Malhotra as a third line center quite easily.

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07-08-2012, 09:22 PM
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Vancouver hands down.

Zach Parise is incredibly overrated though he is what Minnesota needs. A 30 goal scorer cause they were one of the lowest scoring teams. Don't get me wrong the acquisitions of Suter, and Parise will make them playoff contenders, but Vancouver rules the roost up there, and likely will continue.

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07-08-2012, 09:22 PM
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I believe Canucks will win this division easily again.

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07-08-2012, 09:22 PM
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Vancouver. Even with Parise and Suter in the fold, the Wild have a ways to go.

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07-08-2012, 09:35 PM
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Forgive me while I shake with fear at collective talent of Cullen, Brodziak, Mitchell, Powe, and Konopka.

Quantity does not = quality. Koivu is your only real threat at center, but can't stay healthy to save his life. Granlund has a ton of potential but is completely unproven at this point. The rest are either on the decline, or fourth line scrubs on a contending team.

This is what quality depth at center looks like:

Giroux, Briere, Couterier, Schenn
Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Stoll
Crosby, Malkin, Sutter, Kennedy
Sedin, Kesler, Malhotra, Pahlsson
Man you really think you know everything? Brodziak put up 44 points last season similar offensive numbers to Ryan Kesler of all people. Calling those centers a bunch of fourth liners really shows how ignorant you are. Not to mention that almost half of your list of centers play on the wing most of the time

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07-08-2012, 10:53 PM
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Man you really think you know everything? Brodziak put up 44 points last season similar offensive numbers to Ryan Kesler of all people. Calling those centers a bunch of fourth liners really shows how ignorant you are. Not to mention that almost half of your list of centers play on the wing most of the time
I think that you have to look past the stats.
Points, +/-, Pims, all those things definitely mean something..but there's more to it.
Brodziak is a pretty darn good player...but imo he's not in the same league as a guy like Ryan Kesler. Kesler on a bad day and Brodziak on a good day makes them comparable i guess.

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07-08-2012, 11:11 PM
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Even though I'm a Bruins fan I still have this thing inside of me called jealousy towards Minnesota in getting Parise and Suter. I say Minnesota will get 97 points and Canucks 106.

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I think that you have to look past the stats.
Points, +/-, Pims, all those things definitely mean something..but there's more to it.
Brodziak is a pretty darn good player...but imo he's not in the same league as a guy like Ryan Kesler. Kesler on a bad day and Brodziak on a good day makes them comparable i guess.
No one is saying Brodziak is the same as Kesler. What we are saying is that Brodziak is not just any chump.

He is a very good third liner, with Matt Cullen being a good 3rd line center as well. Don't forget Zenon Konopka is an excellent 4th line.

And Koivu is a very good 1st line center.

Yes, the Wild are missing quality in their center position, especially as a 2nd line centerman. We lack quality, not depth.

We have 1 first line center, 3 established NHL centers, and 1 upcoming centerman in Granlund. I would say that is pretty deep.

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07-08-2012, 11:28 PM
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It might be a closer race than it has been in recent years, but it's definitely going to be Vancouver. They're team has been so fine-tuned to produce during the regular season that I can't see any Western team passing them in the near future.

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07-08-2012, 11:57 PM
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No one is saying Brodziak is the same as Kesler. What we are saying is that Brodziak is not just any chump.

He is a very good third liner, with Matt Cullen being a good 3rd line center as well. Don't forget Zenon Konopka is an excellent 4th line.

And Koivu is a very good 1st line center.

Yes, the Wild are missing quality in their center position, especially as a 2nd line centerman. We lack quality, not depth.

We have 1 first line center, 3 established NHL centers, and 1 upcoming centerman in Granlund. I would say that is pretty deep.
If he plays as well as he did for Ottawa in the playoffs, he will help you guys, but if you see the Zenon Konopka we saw in the regular season, he may be riding the pine.

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07-09-2012, 12:00 AM
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Kesler being out for the first half of the season will make things interesting. Who is gonna play 2nd line center? That is a huge hole in the lineup.

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07-09-2012, 08:05 AM
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Kesler being out for the first half of the season will make things interesting. Who is gonna play 2nd line center? That is a huge hole in the lineup.
Pretty much what I came here to say. I think it will be closer than people think. I always think of Kesler as this teams engine, when he's going the rest of the team is too. And if Schroeder(rookie) is going to take his place for half of the season then it will be interesting how we fare. Not to mention the fact that Luongo/Schneider stole a ton of games last season. That tandem will also be broken up.

I expect all the NW teams to give the Canucks a lot more trouble than they have in the last couple of years. We should still be favourites but I don't see us running away with it.

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As a Wild fan....it's easily Vancouver. The Wild may not get tossed around as much, but they still have A LOT to prove.
There it is.

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Not to be mean to Wild fans, but you have a lot to worry about in just making the playoffs, nevermind winning the NW.

Vancouver is still a much, much better team (IMO).

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07-09-2012, 05:54 PM
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i hope the wild win the division this year so we get a better pick

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i hope the wild win the division this year so we get a better pick
But then you screw it up by winning the cup. How pissed of would you be then, huh?

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Season series to the Wild, Division to the Nucks easily.

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