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07-08-2012, 01:39 PM
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as some of the more astute hab fans have posted - very easy no from montreal

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07-08-2012, 01:41 PM
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Done from our end, but Chicago fans will be here in a cab shortly to kneecap you
Yep pretty much not a chance Saad gets traded for JB. I would say Morin and pick could get it done.

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Go with Bourque and keep assets.

If he struggles, he'll still have value. 3.33 for a 6'2 20 goal scorer who can, at times can be "mean"


Gagne's first media conference with 20 cameras in his face will give him a concussion.

2013 is a perfect time for the habs to further restock the cupboard with 4 picks in the top 60. I'm Bergevin knows this team can compete for a playoff spot, but not for the cup. He might add someone via free agency, but in all likelihood he'll steer the course.
I'd rather keep Gomez than Bourque, if that helps to give you a sense where I value Bourque.

I don't see any reason whatsoever to keep him in case "he gets his act together". Even if he does, guys like Bourque aren't worth that much and you can always get a player like him as a UFA or by trade.

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07-08-2012, 01:45 PM
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Saad for Bernier straight up
Not gonna happen from Chicago's standpoint.

I wished the Kings made a move to get him in the draft.

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07-08-2012, 01:47 PM
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lol two 2nds for Simon "They Called Me Mr. Glass" Gagne? That's a joke.

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07-08-2012, 02:05 PM
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Yep pretty much not a chance Saad gets traded for JB. I would say Morin and pick could get it done.
if that picks a frist i can see it being a done deal. I would think u would also need to move emery thou so maybe add him for richardson ? cash is about the same

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07-08-2012, 02:15 PM
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well thought out and I'd say yes from a Chi POV.

2nds for a 1st and Morin + Emery for Bernier. Sounds good for me.

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well thought out and I'd say yes from a Chi POV.

2nds for a 1st and Morin + Emery for Bernier. Sounds good for me.
I'd say no from a LA POV. It is not good enough for Bernier. We do not trade quality for quantity.

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07-08-2012, 02:57 PM
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Yeah, per other Habs fans I wouldn't even consider the OP trade from the Montreal perspective. Actually, I wouldn't even give up a single 2nd rounder for Gagne, let alone two of them. While the Habs do "need" a winger, there are internal options, free agents, and so on at the "Gagne level" that could have been considered, and no need to trade picks.

But on the Bourque/Gagne sidebar, I'd be all over trading Bourque for Gagne. They're both imperfect fits to our need, or at least heavily risk-laden ones, but Gagne has waaaaay less term remaining, so I'd very cheerfully cash out 3 years of commitment to that imperfect fit by taking Gagne instead.

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Hm, not bad for LA, but I'd rather see what we get out of Gagne this season. I'm think he's going to have an awesome year. He's my sleeper King pick.

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07-08-2012, 05:01 PM
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Saad for Bernier straight up
Is Bernier really better than Crawford? You guys need to give him more time.

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I'd rather keep Gomez than Bourque, if that helps to give you a sense where I value Bourque.

I don't see any reason whatsoever to keep him in case "he gets his act together". Even if he does, guys like Bourque aren't worth that much and you can always get a player like him as a UFA or by trade.
You can sign any player for a ton and have him score 2 goals in a season.

To keep Gomez over Bourque is pure stupidity.

To keep Gomez over anyone playing in the NHL is pretty dumb, too.

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07-08-2012, 05:14 PM
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I'd rather keep Gomez than Bourque, if that helps to give you a sense where I value Bourque.

I don't see any reason whatsoever to keep him in case "he gets his act together". Even if he does, guys like Bourque aren't worth that much and you can always get a player like him as a UFA or by trade.
Bourque played out the lost season in a manner that would ensure he wouldn't get hurt. The Habs were going nowhere when he joined us last season. He is a big winger who has scored 27 goals twice in his career. Let's see how he does with a full season and a chance to actually compete for something worthwhile. With Gionta and Markov back, I don't see Bourque floating like he did last year.

Keeping Gomez over Bourque is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen a Habs fan write. Gomez is far more useless and expensive in 2 years than Bourque will be for 3 years. It would be less costly to our cap hit to dump Bourque in the minors than it would Gomez. So, how is Gomez better value than Bourque?? Come on, think before you post something like that...

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07-08-2012, 05:17 PM
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I'd say no from a LA POV. It is not good enough for Bernier. We do not trade quality for quantity.
this. I probably wouldn't even be happy with Saad straight up for Bernier. No chance Dean trades Bernier to a team in the West.. Desperate for goaltending.. not willing to give up quality.

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I'm confused... What exactly has Bernier proven so far in his career?

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I'm confused... What exactly has Bernier proven so far in his career?
He is proven enough do not trade him for not needed assets to team in need of goalie upgrade.

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No way the Habs part with two second rounders in 2013 for Gagne.

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You can sign any player for a ton and have him score 2 goals in a season.

To keep Gomez over Bourque is pure stupidity.

To keep Gomez over anyone playing in the NHL is pretty dumb, too.
To keep either is pure stupidity and Gomez is the lesser of two acts of stupidity because of his length of contract and because Bourque could be moved a lot easier. Neither are a fit here or have a future in Montreal, that much is obvious.

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07-08-2012, 07:41 PM
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Mtl Recieves:
Simon Gagne


Chi Receieves:
Jonathan Bernier
Nashville 2013 2nd via Montreal
Montreal 2013 2nd


LA Recieves:
Jeremy Morin
Ray Emery
Chicago 2013 1st



The Breakdown:

Montreal fills out their top 6 with very talented yet injury prone Left Winger at the cost of 2 second round picks in a deep draft.

Chicago gets their #1 goalie that should put them over the hump from very good to elite. Costs them a mid to late first, probably minimum 22-26 range (but is mitigated by the 2 second round picks coming in) and a very talented LW prospect who is very close to NHL ready, if not there already.

LA gets younger and adds some depth to their Wings, snags a first round pick that Bernier nor Gagne is unlikely to get on their own, and Ray Emery is a throw in providing the Kings with a serviceable backup for the season.

I see it as Montreal and Chicago get better immediately, while LA stay pretty stagnent towards 2013 with the move but are better for it 2-3 seasons down the road. Thoughts?
You're giving Bernier away for Emery, a draft pick and a guy nobody's ever heard of?

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07-08-2012, 07:43 PM
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I'm confused... What exactly has Bernier proven so far in his career?
Potential.

Kings arent going to give him away just because Quick happens to be a top notch goalie. When the Kings drafted Bernier high, he was their goalie of the future and was groomed to be a #1.

Kings have two #1s....he needs to be traded like he's a #1..

If teams dont want to pony up like Bernier is a #1 than i'm sure the Kings won't mind having an amazing backup for another cup run.

The Kings know what they've got, despite him not having 'proven' anything. He hasnt proven anything STATISTICALLY...but that doesnt mean he's not great.

Do you think Bryce Harper would have been traded away by the Nationals before he made his first MLB at bat? No, because the Nats knew what they had even before the guy hadnt 'proven' anything at the MLB level.

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07-08-2012, 08:19 PM
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Saad for Bernier straight up
Ah, ha ha, ha ha ha ha.. No.

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Is Bernier really better than Crawford? You guys need to give him more time.
Bernier certainly has the "potential" to be.. but at this point, no he's not. Crawford had a poor season, but he wasn't at all helped by how the team played infront of him and you could tell his play, along with how things developed infront of him, wore on him as the season went along.

The team needs to play better defensively and Crawford needs to just worry about stopping pucks, like he did in his rookie season.

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Potential.

Kings arent going to give him away just because Quick happens to be a top notch goalie. When the Kings drafted Bernier high, he was their goalie of the future and was groomed to be a #1.

Kings have two #1s....he needs to be traded like he's a #1..

If teams dont want to pony up like Bernier is a #1 than i'm sure the Kings won't mind having an amazing backup for another cup run.

The Kings know what they've got, despite him not having 'proven' anything. He hasnt proven anything STATISTICALLY...but that doesnt mean he's not great.

Do you think Bryce Harper would have been traded away by the Nationals before he made his first MLB at bat? No, because the Nats knew what they had even before the guy hadnt 'proven' anything at the MLB level.
Or, more realistically, you can look at the return Hasek got Chicago while he was stuck behind Belfour and hadn't proven much (Stephane Beauregard, who spent the bulk of his career in the minor leagues).

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