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07-08-2012, 07:46 PM
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Every player who has ever played for a world junior team has gone on to become an impact NHLer.

This is awful.

Typical HF scraps for stars proposals.
If you don't understand who players are, why make yourself look bad?

I'm not saying this is the kind of proposal that Anaheim would want - by their own admission, it's not, but this trade would go a long way to gut Pittsburgh's organizational depth.

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07-08-2012, 07:49 PM
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Pens are better off going after Etem or Palmieri...Much more attainable for what we could offer.

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07-08-2012, 07:51 PM
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I'm sure they'd like to have a guy like Sutter but I think they'd want someone with more offensive upside as the main piece in the trade. Unfortunately I think Philly make the most sense as trading partners.
Yeah, agreed. Was just guessing that should we inquire that's one name that might come up. I have rapidly grown attached to Sutter in the last couple weeks anyway. Don't want to trade him before he ever really was a Penguin now.

IF Philly coughs up Couturier (or Schenn), then they get Ryan every day. Apparently they haven't yet though. Maybe try offering Sutter to make Holmgren pull the trigger on it.

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07-08-2012, 07:53 PM
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Pens are better off going after Etem or Palmieri...Much more attainable for what we could offer.
Isn't Palmieri considered almost a lock to make the roster, doesn't make sense for them to deal him for a guy like Despres or Morrow.

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Pens are better off going after Etem or Palmieri...Much more attainable for what we could offer.

You're not getting Etem or Palmieri either. Go find another trading partner.

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07-08-2012, 07:55 PM
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Domoulin and Harrington are nothing close to scraps. Not saying they'd get this deal done, but both have a very good chance of being good 2nd pairing NHL defensemen. Domoulin will compete for a spot on the NHL roster this year. His biggest disadvantage is that he hasn't been in the Penguins system before while Despres, Strait and Bortuzzo have all played at least a full season with the baby Pens. Otherwise, he'd be almost exactly the kind of guy we need making our line-up. For those of you who don't know, Domoulin is the prospect we got in the Staal trade.


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Anaheim gets shafted. Hard.
Agreed. Sign me up...haha.

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07-08-2012, 07:56 PM
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I think the Pens lost the pieces to make a trade for Ryan when they shipped Staal off to Carolina (not that I don't like that trade, I loved it).

Anaheim's priority in a Bobby Ryan trade is a #2 center and building up more pieces from there. The Pens really don't have a #2 center anymore. They have 1 and 1A with Sid and Geno, and then the 3rd/4th liners (Sutter and Vitale/Adams).

they have some other nice pieces/prospects that they COULD offer up to the Ducks, but without Staal to center the trade around, I really doubt the Ducks make a trade with the Penguins. Just doesn't seem like a very good match for them anymore

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07-08-2012, 07:59 PM
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Pens are better off going after Etem or Palmieri...Much more attainable for what we could offer.
This is correct, though you may have to wait a few months before one of them is even available.

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07-08-2012, 08:00 PM
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I think the Pens lost the pieces to make a trade for Ryan when they shipped Staal off to Carolina (not that I don't like that trade, I loved it).

Anaheim's priority in a Bobby Ryan trade is a #2 center and building up more pieces from there. The Pens really don't have a #2 center anymore. They have 1 and 1A with Sid and Geno, and then the 3rd/4th liners (Sutter and Vitale/Adams).

they have some other nice pieces/prospects that they COULD offer up to the Ducks, but without Staal to center the trade around, I really doubt the Ducks make a trade with the Penguins. Just doesn't seem like a very good match for them anymore
Ya we just can't offer them the pieces they actually want back so we'd have to overpay by enough that they couldn't turn it down.

How about Domoulin, Sutter and Pouliot?

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07-08-2012, 08:12 PM
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They're hardly unknowns, Harrington was on Canada's World Junior team and Dumoulin was on the US World Junior team in 2011 and was a Hobey Baker finalist.
Agreed but still doesn't come close IMO .. these kids have proved nothing in the NHL .. HUGE GAMBLE .. for the Ducks

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07-08-2012, 08:17 PM
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Unless another team is involved, Ryan won't be moved to Pittsburg. Terrible trading partner for Ryan.

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I think the Pens lost the pieces to make a trade for Ryan when they shipped Staal off to Carolina (not that I don't like that trade, I loved it).
We went over every incarnation of that proposal before the draft repeatedly though and Anaheim fans never wanted Staal, so there really wasn't a setback there. At least not on HF.

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07-08-2012, 08:26 PM
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How about Domoulin, Sutter and Pouliot?
How "Stockholm Syndromed" does Sutter have me, that I would have considered Staal for Ryan, but not really this anyway.

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07-08-2012, 08:34 PM
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If the Ducks want a roster player back why don't they just keep Ryan? Doesn't make any sense.

I think Bennett, Despres, & Morrow would get it done.

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07-08-2012, 09:34 PM
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If the Ducks want a roster player back why don't they just keep Ryan? Doesn't make any sense.

I think Bennett, Despres, & Morrow would get it done.
IMO keeping Ryan is the best option and I hope it's what we do but no, your offer would not get it done. I don't think the deal ever gets done or Ryan because it's such a hard one to pull off. Murray said it would have to make the team better NOW. When moving a player like Ryan thats extremely hard to pull off. That's why one: I don't think Ryan is moved and two: there are only a few teams who could pull such a move off if they were willing (NYR, Philly, and maybe Buffalo. Team needs are also a big factor as well.

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07-08-2012, 10:19 PM
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With Staal out of Pittsburgh, the Penguins are out of the Ryan trade talks. It would take one of Despres or Morrow, both of which Shero is planning on being on the back end soon to balance out salary, and a roster player. Shero does not have assets he'd be realistically be willing to part with in the amount it would take. So Ryan to Pittsburgh is at best, a long shot.

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07-08-2012, 10:30 PM
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If the Ducks want a roster player back why don't they just keep Ryan? Doesn't make any sense.

I think Bennett, Despres, & Morrow would get it done.
This would be a MASSIVE overpayment by the Pens. That's the kind of package i would expect for a Malkin or Crosby ( albiet with a tad added ) not a Bobby Ryan.

Despres, Tangradi, 1st would get it done. I would bet my life on it.

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07-08-2012, 10:36 PM
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This would be a MASSIVE overpayment by the Pens. That's the kind of package i would expect for a Malkin or Crosby ( albiet with a tad added ) not a Bobby Ryan.

Despres, Tangradi, 1st would get it done. I would bet my life on it.
You would have to add someone like Getzlaf or Perry to put that in the ballpark of an offer for Crosby or Malkin. It would be instantly turned down.

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07-08-2012, 10:36 PM
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If the Ducks want a roster player back why don't they just keep Ryan? Doesn't make any sense.

I think Bennett, Despres, & Morrow would get it done.
The Ducks need a 2nd line center so I doubt they'd accept it.

Like others have said, Penguins are a horrible trade partner with the Ducks and the only way the Pens obtain Ryan is overpaying or a 3 team trade.

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Unless another team is involved, Ryan won't be moved to Pittsburg. Terrible trading partner for Ryan.
Lol, when Pens had Staal Ducks fans still said the same thing.

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Lol, when Pens had Staal Ducks fans still said the same thing.
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Lol, when Pens had Staal Ducks fans still said the same thing.
I think most Ducks fans were concerned about Staal's contract future. Unless they were delusional and thought he wasn't a #2 center.

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