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08-02-2013, 01:59 AM
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He's not going to stick in the NHL this year, but he's going to be a pretty solid pro in a few years. His skating isn't that bad, every prospect with a bit of beef gets that knock and he's built solid. He'll be fast enough for the NHL, but he'll also be strong enough to be able to get his NHL caliber shot off in traffic. Just not this year.

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Name 3 rushed Blue Jackets prospects. I can give you one and thats Gilbert Brule.
Ryan Johansen,Brassard,Steve Mason,Zherdev...

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Yeah, Mason clearly wasn't ready in that season when he won the Calder.

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Brassard got a full year in the AHL and has 25 points in 31 games his rookie season. Mason won the Calder. It's too early to tell with Johansen

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3-5 years before he's a significant force in the league. If he manages to live up to his potential, the absolute best case scenario is a tougher Luc Robitaille. Average scenario... 2nd line sniper and PP specialist who plays with some grit and peaks out at approx. 30 goals.

Regardless, he needs to do a lot of work to get his skating up to an NHL level... amongst other things. Even the old Columbus, who wrecked their picks by rushing them, would still probably not have played him next year. Besides, they're supposed making more of an effort to let their young guys develop properly these days.
Living up to his max potential is a tougher Luc Robatille, and the average scenario is 30 goals?

What a steal, he should have gone top 5.....

I'll have some of that kool-aid

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Name 3 rushed Blue Jackets prospects. I can give you one and thats Gilbert Brule.
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Living up to his max potential is a tougher Luc Robatille, and the average scenario is 30 goals?

What a steal, he should have gone top 5.....

I'll have some of that kool-aid
Do you understand how potential and likeliness to reach potential means? It's not likely that he reaches that level unless the stars align for him.

Hell, even Robitaille got picked 171st overall so the likelihood of reaching his maximum potential was deemed even lower. But he reached it.

As far as the 30 goals goes, he definitely has that ability. I'm won't say that he'll hit that but it's possible as a peak.

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08-02-2013, 09:17 AM
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Do you understand how potential and likeliness to reach potential means? It's not likely that he reaches that level unless the stars align for him.

Hell, even Robitaille got picked 171st overall so the likelihood of reaching his maximum potential was deemed even lower. But he reached it.

As far as the 30 goals goes, he definitely has that ability. I'm won't say that he'll hit that but it's possible as a peak.
How many 30 goal players are there in this league? 30 a year maybe? And that is what Rychel will achieve if he has an average showing?

A tougher Luc Robitaille as his max Potential? Luc Robitaille was one of the best goal scorers in NHL history, and Rychel's potential is a tougher version of that?

That's like saying Anthony Mantha's max potential is a tougher Mike Modano. Is it possible? Of course, anythings possible. Is it a stupid and unfair comparison, yes.

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Ryan Johansen,Brassard,Steve Mason,Zherdev...
Johansen: Too good for the WHL, what good does it do him to destroy the league and probably get to float while doing it? Got to learn the NHL game, and is improving immensley. Watch a CBJ game sometime to find out.

Brassard: as others said, spent a year in the minors after juniors and made the team in 08-09 and was almost PPG before getting injured. He just never played up to his potential because of laziness.

Mason: Calder trophy. Best and worst thing to happen to him because he hasn't put in work since that season (to this point) nor has he had success since except a few games in Philly. Watch he will turn it around for them. He was ready, just not mentally.

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4 Goals in 8 games his rookie season in the NHL and a very strong season in the AHL for a first timer on NA ice. Had the skill of a star, had the mind of a 12 year old. Again, he was ready, but was hindered by his own self.

Part of the Jackets problem isn't rushing development, like HF likes to think it is. Heck its not even because they don't pick talented players. The problem is they used to draft soft mentally players and non-hard workers. That has changed since the Filatov draft.

Back to Kerby, Rychel will play at least this season in juniors and we'll see how he does in camp next year before deciding to send him back or try 9 games.

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Johansen: Too good for the WHL, what good does it do him to destroy the league and probably get to float while doing it? Got to learn the NHL game, and is improving immensley. Watch a CBJ game sometime to find out.

Brassard: as others said, spent a year in the minors after juniors and made the team in 08-09 and was almost PPG before getting injured. He just never played up to his potential because of laziness.

Mason: Calder trophy. Best and worst thing to happen to him because he hasn't put in work since that season (to this point) nor has he had success since except a few games in Philly. Watch he will turn it around for them. He was ready, just not mentally.



4 Goals in 8 games his rookie season in the NHL and a very strong season in the AHL for a first timer on NA ice. Had the skill of a star, had the mind of a 12 year old. Again, he was ready, but was hindered by his own self.

Part of the Jackets problem isn't rushing development, like HF likes to think it is. Heck its not even because they don't pick talented players. The problem is they used to draft soft mentally players and non-hard workers. That has changed since the Filatov draft.

Back to Kerby, Rychel will play at least this season in juniors and we'll see how he does in camp next year before deciding to send him back or try 9 games.
9 games only applies to Rychel for this season. Next year he will be pro, whether AHL or NHL.

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9 games only applies to Rychel for this season. Next year he will be pro, whether AHL or NHL.
Even better

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How many 30 goal players are there in this league? 30 a year maybe? And that is what Rychel will achieve if he has an average showing?

A tougher Luc Robitaille as his max Potential? Luc Robitaille was one of the best goal scorers in NHL history, and Rychel's potential is a tougher version of that?

That's like saying Anthony Mantha's max potential is a tougher Mike Modano. Is it possible? Of course, anythings possible. Is it a stupid and unfair comparison, yes.
Sounds like you no understand. If all the stars align for him and he has the best career he can possibly have with his skill set... yes, a tougher Robitaille-type player. Sure, it's unlikely he'll turn out to be a perennial 40-50 goal scorer who will open a can of whoop-ass on anyone who looks at him sideways. Scoring is down these days and teams don't like to see their best players in the penalty box all the time. But, he could turn out to be an elite goal scorer who plays in the difficult areas and is able to protect himself if necessary. Once again... that is the "in a perfect Rychel world" scenario.

If he rounds into the kind of player he was reasonably drafted to be and has the career that one could deem genuinely possible... I see a solid career as a 2nd liner where, for a few seasons, when he's at the peak of his game, he could score 30-ish goals and generally take care of himself when the going gets tough. This isn't asking the stars from a 1st round pick, is it?

Quite possibly he never makes it, or has to reinvent his game somewhat in order to have a career in the bottom 6. Those two scenarios could be deemed the very disappointing and the mildly disappointing.

I'm not saying he WILL be the second coming of anything, I'm just projecting based upon the package he brings to the game right now.

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Filatov had one option to not be rushed - stay in Russia and teams are never going to tell a player to stay in Russia and sign a long term contract if given the option of bringing them to North America.

Assigning Filatov to the OHL at the beginning of the 2008-2009 season was not an option.

Filatov's CHL rights were held by the Sudbury Wolves, but Sudbury only obtained a transfer for Filatov to play there in November 2008. By that time, Filatov was a point a game player in the AHL, had already scored his first NHL goal and soon after that his first NHL hat trick and no one except Sudbury wanted him reassigned there.

The Jackets haven't rushed any player to the NHL when they could play in juniors. The situation with Filatov was completely different due to the Russian factor.

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Johansen: Too good for the WHL, what good does it do him to destroy the league and probably get to float while doing it? Got to learn the NHL game, and is improving immensley. Watch a CBJ game sometime to find out.

Brassard: as others said, spent a year in the minors after juniors and made the team in 08-09 and was almost PPG before getting injured. He just never played up to his potential because of laziness.

Mason: Calder trophy. Best and worst thing to happen to him because he hasn't put in work since that season (to this point) nor has he had success since except a few games in Philly. Watch he will turn it around for them. He was ready, just not mentally.



4 Goals in 8 games his rookie season in the NHL and a very strong season in the AHL for a first timer on NA ice. Had the skill of a star, had the mind of a 12 year old. Again, he was ready, but was hindered by his own self.

Part of the Jackets problem isn't rushing development, like HF likes to think it is. Heck its not even because they don't pick talented players. The problem is they used to draft soft mentally players and non-hard workers. That has changed since the Filatov draft.

Back to Kerby, Rychel will play at least this season in juniors and we'll see how he does in camp next year before deciding to send him back or try 9 games.
There you have it kids, the CBJ are beyond reproach when it comes to player development. God only ****ing knows why they can't make the playoffs.

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Johansen: Too good for the WHL, what good does it do him to destroy the league and probably get to float while doing it? Got to learn the NHL game, and is improving immensley. Watch a CBJ game sometime to find out.

Brassard: as others said, spent a year in the minors after juniors and made the team in 08-09 and was almost PPG before getting injured. He just never played up to his potential because of laziness.

Mason: Calder trophy. Best and worst thing to happen to him because he hasn't put in work since that season (to this point) nor has he had success since except a few games in Philly. Watch he will turn it around for them. He was ready, just not mentally.



4 Goals in 8 games his rookie season in the NHL and a very strong season in the AHL for a first timer on NA ice. Had the skill of a star, had the mind of a 12 year old. Again, he was ready, but was hindered by his own self.

Part of the Jackets problem isn't rushing development, like HF likes to think it is. Heck its not even because they don't pick talented players. The problem is they used to draft soft mentally players and non-hard workers. That has changed since the Filatov draft.

Back to Kerby, Rychel will play at least this season in juniors and we'll see how he does in camp next year before deciding to send him back or try 9 games.
Not saying he's going to be a bust, but wasn't that the exact same reasoning for Brule making the team so young?

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Not saying he's going to be a bust, but wasn't that the exact same reasoning for Brule making the team so young?
Yes, and both Brule and Johansen are posterboys for why some players should be allowed in the AHL at 19.

Both were able to dominate the WHL when that wasn't going to be the case in the NHL. With Brule, he was far too small to play a power forward game. Should he have gone to the WHL and tried to refine his game to a less physical one? I'm not sure that would have worked.

Johansen was able to push around smaller players in the WHL and dominate where in the NHL he got a shock that things didn't come so easily.

Both have a tendency to be lazy some times, which doesn't help when a player can float in the CHL and put forth very little effort and still put up points. It took Rick Nash several years to figure out that he had to go all out every shift in the NHL rather than pacing himself for the 30 minutes a game he was playing in the OHL with opportunistic cherry picking.

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No way he makes the team unless a miracle happens. Part of Columbus's problems regarding player development was that they rushed their players Jarmo isn't going to rush prospects he is going to ensure they develop gradually ala Detroit.
I think our prospect development will be different under Kekalainen, but not directly because of him. He's taking control of our organization as our depth and competitiveness has reached an all-time high. Prospects like Boone Jenner and Ryan Murray would have been shoo-ins at earlier points in time, now both players need to prove that they belong in order to make the team out of camp, and if not, we have the depth to send both to the AHL and not skip a beat. That's the main difference in how our prospects will be handled.

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I don't think he'll crack the line-up this year,but maybe next year....as for his upside I see a 25-25 Powerforward who could have career years in the 30-30 range. This is a fair projection IMO,but I think in the right stituation he could score close to 40 once or twice,but will be the aforementioned 25-30 goal scorer for his career

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Yes, and both Brule and Johansen are posterboys for why some players should be allowed in the AHL at 19.

Both were able to dominate the WHL when that wasn't going to be the case in the NHL. With Brule, he was far too small to play a power forward game. Should he have gone to the WHL and tried to refine his game to a less physical one? I'm not sure that would have worked.

Johansen was able to push around smaller players in the WHL and dominate where in the NHL he got a shock that things didn't come so easily.

Both have a tendency to be lazy some times, which doesn't help when a player can float in the CHL and put forth very little effort and still put up points. It took Rick Nash several years to figure out that he had to go all out every shift in the NHL rather than pacing himself for the 30 minutes a game he was playing in the OHL with opportunistic cherry picking.
I'll even throw Klesla into the conversation. He tore up the CHL/World Jr's the year after he was drafted(won best defensive prospect & won gold for Czech, voted best player not in NHL by Hockey News) but Dave King wanted to send him down for more "seasoning" the following year, but good old Dougie overruled him(supposed heated argument) because he felt "the fans need to see their high draft picks" so we got a rushed Rusty.

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Johansen: Too good for the WHL, what good does it do him to destroy the league and probably get to float while doing it? Got to learn the NHL game, and is improving immensley. Watch a CBJ game sometime to find out.

Brassard: as others said, spent a year in the minors after juniors and made the team in 08-09 and was almost PPG before getting injured. He just never played up to his potential because of laziness.

Mason: Calder trophy. Best and worst thing to happen to him because he hasn't put in work since that season (to this point) nor has he had success since except a few games in Philly. Watch he will turn it around for them. He was ready, just not mentally.



4 Goals in 8 games his rookie season in the NHL and a very strong season in the AHL for a first timer on NA ice. Had the skill of a star, had the mind of a 12 year old. Again, he was ready, but was hindered by his own self.

Part of the Jackets problem isn't rushing development, like HF likes to think it is. Heck its not even because they don't pick talented players. The problem is they used to draft soft mentally players and non-hard workers. That has changed since the Filatov draft.

Back to Kerby, Rychel will play at least this season in juniors and we'll see how he does in camp next year before deciding to send him back or try 9 games.
While I do think the Jackets get dinged for this a little too hard around here, they have rushed some guys, lots of teams have. It's worth pointing out sticking somebody in the NHL that isn't mentally ready to play there too soon is a huge part of the rush job. In fact it might be worse than somebody who cannot handle it physically but understands the mental reps and learns from it.

Now people can say guys like Fitalov were never going to get it, I don't know that but it seemed to fall apart on him afterward. You can argue it either way, but saying a guy wasn't mentally there is admitting a rush job in my opinion. At least in one very important aspect of pro development they pushed along a player that was not up to the task and seemed to buckle under expectations and lose a ton of confidence.

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While I do think the Jackets get dinged for this a little too hard around here, they have rushed some guys, lots of teams have.
I would guess that, at one time or another, all teams have put a young player on their roster who was not truly ready for the NHL.

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Stats are a pretty important indicator of talent and future success. If he's putting up 40+ goals in the OHL with occasional "non-existent" effort then I'm even more intrigued.
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Do you understand how potential and likeliness to reach potential means? It's not likely that he reaches that level unless the stars align for him.

Hell, even Robitaille got picked 171st overall so the likelihood of reaching his maximum potential was deemed even lower. But he reached it.

As far as the 30 goals goes, he definitely has that ability. I'm won't say that he'll hit that but it's possible as a peak.
Just IMO, but when I read the inital description it meant there was a chance that Rychel could turn into one of the most dominant goalscorers of all time, and very likely would turn into at least a prime Scott Hartnell type of player. I happen to think that is wildly optimistic.

Just from a historical perspective, my range of outcomes would look something like this:
10% chance- Scott Harnell
20% chance - Ryan Callahan
20% chance - Bryan Bickell
20% chance - Scott Thornton
30% chance - bust with no NHL career.

Even those %'s are probably being overly generous.

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Yes, and both Brule and Johansen are posterboys for why some players should be allowed in the AHL at 19.

Both were able to dominate the WHL when that wasn't going to be the case in the NHL. With Brule, he was far too small to play a power forward game. Should he have gone to the WHL and tried to refine his game to a less physical one? I'm not sure that would have worked.

Johansen was able to push around smaller players in the WHL and dominate where in the NHL he got a shock that things didn't come so easily.

Both have a tendency to be lazy some times, which doesn't help when a player can float in the CHL and put forth very little effort and still put up points. It took Rick Nash several years to figure out that he had to go all out every shift in the NHL rather than pacing himself for the 30 minutes a game he was playing in the OHL with opportunistic cherry picking.
This what some people don't understand. It's up to the player to improve his game. If he is just going to go to the WHL and float around and score then he is only hurting himself. Many top CHL prospects focus on their offense early on to get drafted but once they meet with their NHL team they are instructed to work on other aspects of their game. So instead of floating around his final year in the WHL he could have been working on his defensive positioning, faceoffs, situational awareness, gaining strength, being a leader, etc while maintaining his confidence. Instead he was sent off to play professionally and he was a deer in headlights.

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We had a poster over on our Wings board that said when meeting him at the Traverse City tournament that he believed he has grown and has to be in the 6'2 to 6'3 range. Interested to see what his measurements are in Windsor this year, but it sounds like he is getting significantly bigger than even some of the projections, which might ease some of the skating concerns that I have had in terms of him where he has come along way but still has some problems.

This could be wrong, but for instance Athanasiou has picked up 2 inches and 25 lbs since the Wings drafted him and his combine listings. Also looks like he might continue to get bigger when you look at his frame. Something that isn't always kept up to date in terms of eliteprospects, but we should get a picture of when their OHL teams release it or they check in to the AHL in a year.

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