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07-08-2012, 09:22 PM
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Then at age 20 put up 28 points in 58 games.

I'm with you, I like Duchene and would consider dealing Vanek for him.... it would have to be Duchene+ though
Yes, he was hurt, rushed himself back into the lineup and got hurt again. The season was a write-off. That doesn't make him less accomplished than he has been so far in his career, nor less talented.

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Then at age 20 put up 28 points in 58 games.

I'm with you, I like Duchene and would consider dealing Vanek for him.... it would have to be Duchene+ though
you're funny

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Duchene's first 3 years in the NHL at 18, 19, and 20 yrs of age... the comparable is Vanek's 2 yrs at Minnesota, and 1 yr in Rochester...

Not to mention Vanek's second season (06-07) was on an offensive powerhouse.

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Then at age 20 put up 28 points in 58 games.

I'm with you, I like Duchene and would consider dealing Vanek for him.... it would have to be Duchene+ though
No. No it wouldn't.

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Colorado wouldn't do this due to Duchene's upside. However, Vanek gets seriously underrated around here at times. Buffalo fans want to dump him for peanuts.
Matt Duchene is not "peanuts". He's a freaking filet mignon .

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07-08-2012, 09:26 PM
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Duchene's first 3 years in the NHL at 18, 19, and 20 yrs of age... the comparable is Vanek's 2 yrs at Minnesota, and 1 yr in Rochester...

Okay so lets compare him to Stafford's rookie year (20)

Stafford has 13 goals and 14 assists in 41 games... so double that and:

26 - 28 - 54
I mean that beats an average Duchene season (pretty much ties him with Duchene's first season)

I think people are WAYYY over-valuing the Colorado centers and under valuing Vanek.

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Wait, but can someone explain why the Sabres do this other than to hoard ~all the young centers? Having Vanek helps Cody. This would only make sense to me as a mega-blockbuster that sends Vanek and Hodgson to Colorado for Duchene + a winger.

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Damn these proposal threads.

Every time I check in on my phone, for a second I think these moves may have happened

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Okay so lets compare him to Stafford's rookie year (20)

Stafford has 13 goals and 14 assists in 41 games... so double that and:

26 - 28 - 54
I mean that beats an average Duchene season (pretty much ties him with Duchene's first season)

I think people are WAYYY over-valuing the Colorado centers and under valuing Vanek.
so if we double drew stafford's output in his rookie year at 21 yrs old (which ironically, gives a 54 pt total he's never ever reached in his career), it's close to the actual total of matt duchene's rookie year at 18 years old...

just stop... you're embarrassing yourself

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Okay so lets compare him to Stafford's rookie year (20)

Stafford has 13 goals and 14 assists in 41 games... so double that and:

26 - 28 - 54
I mean that beats an average Duchene season (pretty much ties him with Duchene's first season)

I think people are WAYYY over-valuing the Colorado centers and under valuing Vanek.
Stafford's numbers were inflated by the crazy numbers of 06-07. You also can't just presume all things hold the same and double someone's numbers. And Duchene plays a more demanding position. And he's obviously better than Stafford.

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so if we double drew stafford's output in his rookie year at 22 yrs old (which ironically, gives a 54 pt total he's never ever reached in his career), it's close to the actual total of matt duchene's rookie year at 18 years old...

just stop... you're embarrassing yourself
And embarrassing our name as Sabres fans.

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so if we double drew stafford's output in his rookie year at 22 yrs old (which ironically, gives a 54 pt total he's never ever reached in his career), it's close to the actual total of matt duchene's rookie year at 18 years old...

just stop... you're embarrassing yourself
Ummm... Drew Stafford is 26.... his rookie year was 2006. He was 20 walking into that season.... so who is embarrassing himself now champ?

And are you completely forgetting last year's Duchene.... 28 points? Well if injuries are your excuse well if I recall correctly Vanek was OVER a ppg mid way through the season before getting hurt.

Pretty much you're saying Potential > Proven Production.... because only one of these players has proven he can consistently score.

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I like Vanek and don't think we should get rid of him. Sure he hasn't been playing as well as he used to, but I feel like he does get injured a lot, especially over the past few seasons. When he is on, he is one of the better scorers in the league and I'd rather keep that even if it is a bit expensive

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Ummm... Drew Stafford is 26.... his rookie year was 2006. He was 20 walking into that season.... so who is embarrassing himself now champ?

And are you completely forgetting last year's Duchene.... 28 points? Well if injuries are your excuse well if I recall correctly Vanek was OVER a ppg mid way through the season before getting hurt.

Pretty much you're saying Potential > Proven Production.... because only one of these players has proven he can consistently score.
I think Stafford is a fine hockey player who is going to rebound from his horrid start last year, but Duchene is really, really good.

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Ummm... Drew Stafford is 26.... his rookie year was 2006. He was 20 walking into that season.... so who is embarrassing himself now champ?
actually he was 21... i corrected my post. he was born 10/30/85


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And are you completely forgetting last year's Duchene.... 28 points? Well if injuries are your excuse well if I recall correctly Vanek was OVER a ppg mid way through the season before getting hurt.
im not completely forgetting anything.

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Pretty much you're saying Potential > Proven Production.... because only one of these players has proven he can consistently score.
duchene was a better player when he was drafted (vs vanek when he was drafted)
duchene was a better player when he entered the nhl (vs vanek when he entered the nhl 3 yrs older)
duchene is more talented then vanek today
duchene is younger, and under control for many more years

keep going... you must like being the laughing stock

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And embarrassing our name as Sabres fans.
The same fans that want the best player on the team traded a week after Roy got traded? Or wants the coach fired, or the gm every single week. I'm just annoyed with this sudden interest to trade Vanek for unproven players..... because players that average more than 33 goals a season are failures and should be traded because we think the team would be stacked in 2-3 years because Duchene - Ennis - Hodgson - Grigorenko - Grigensons will anchor our newly formed 5 line system that doesn't need any wingers to score.... just potential.

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duchene was a better player when he was drafted (vs vanek when he was drafted)
duchene was a better player when he entered the nhl (vs vanek when he entered the nhl 3 yrs older)
duchene is more talented then vanek today
duchene is younger, and under control for many more years



Duchene is more talented than Vanek today? Really? SHOW ME ONE SEASON THAT SUGGESTS THIS

Under "control" lol what?

Oh.... so if you're better at 17 you'll be the better player for your career. Alexandre Daigle likes your opinion

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I wouldn't move one our top 2 winger for a player that we get for free when in house talent develops in a season or 2. Duchene is a player I really like but we already have 3 centers that bring that kind of skill developing on the roster. A deal for a center would need to be for a center who is built to handle grinding physical minutes which Ennis/Hodgson/Grigs aren't. The team needs veteran leadership in the top 9 and this trade takes that away without providing anything we don't have already.

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Duchene is more talented than Vanek today? Really? SHOW ME ONE SEASON THAT SUGGESTS THIS
the first 2 seasons of his career

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Under "control" lol what?
there's this thing called restricted free agency... look it up

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Oh.... so if you're better at 17 you'll be the better player for your career. Alexandre Daigle likes your opinion
did daigle come in 2nd in the calder trophy?

vanek is a career .81 pt per game player
vanek is .80 pts per game over the last 3 years (25 - 29 yrs old)

duchene is a last 3 yrs/career .68 pt per game player (18-22 yrs old)

vanek has 2 yrs left at 7.1 per and is UFA
duchene has 2 yrs at 3.5 and is RFA

Duchene is only going to get better (opinion)
Vanek is what he is (opinion)

Duchene has a wider array of skills and plays a more valuable position

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Damn these proposal threads.

Every time I check in on my phone, for a second I think these moves may have happened
Same here. I started to get fired up opening this thread on my phone ..... Sigh.

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2009-2010

Vanek 53 pts 25/26 yrs old
Duchene 55 pts 18/19 yrs old

2010-2011

Vanek 73 pts 26/27 yrs old
Duchene 67pts 20/21 yrs old

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If the Avs want to offer up Duchesne for Vanek, I'd take that and run. Laughing.

I think the Avs Never make that offer.

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I wasn't referring to Restricted Free Agent just that you used the term "Under Control" to describe it.

Right the year that Duchene played 10 more games than Vanek and got 2 more points.

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I wasn't referring to Restricted Free Agent just that you used the term "Under Control" to describe it.

Right the year that Duchene played 10 more games than Vanek and got 2 more points.
18 yrs old vs 25 yrs old... still too much to comprehend?

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