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07-17-2012, 10:02 AM
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0. Kharlamov
1. Fedorov
2. Mogilny
3. Bure
4. Makarov
5. Krutov
6. Firsov
7. Datsyuk
8. Kovalchuk
9. Ovechkin
10. Malkin

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07-21-2012, 12:36 PM
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1. Sergei Fedorov (not really a contest here. He's arguably the best Russian to play the game all-around)
2. Pavel Bure
3. Pavel Datsyuk
4. Alexander Mogilny
5. Evgeni Malkin (as much as I hate to admit it)
6. Igor Larionov (not as flashy or fast as some of the others, but definitely smart)
7. Alex Ovechkin
8. Kovalev
Fill in the blanks for spots 9 and 10

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07-24-2012, 05:19 PM
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1. Sergei Fedorov
2. Alexander Mogilny
3. Pavel Bure
4. Alex Kovalev
5. Pavel Datsyuk
6. Alexander Semin
7. Sergei Makarov
8. Evgeni Malkin
9. Alex Ovechkin
10. Ilya Kovalchuk

This is my list, focused on skillset only, skating, stickhandling, shooting, and passing. IMO the top 3 are set in stone, then it gets a bit harder. If we were considering defensive play as a skill, then I would move Datsyuk up to number 2.

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07-24-2012, 05:30 PM
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1. Sergei Fedorov
2. Alexander Mogilny
3. Pavel Bure
4. Alex Kovalev
5. Pavel Datsyuk
6. Alexander Semin
7. Sergei Makarov
8. Evgeni Malkin
9. Alex Ovechkin
10. Ilya Kovalchuk

This is my list, focused on skillset only, skating, stickhandling, shooting, and passing. IMO the top 3 are set in stone, then it gets a bit harder. If we were considering defensive play as a skill, then I would move Datsyuk up to number 2.
You have Semin above Malkin and Ovi? Really?? Seriously??


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07-24-2012, 05:43 PM
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You have Semin above Malkin and Ovi? Really?? Seriously??

Go to the Washington board and start a poll asking who's more skilled between Ovechkin and Semin, then get back to me when you see the results.

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07-24-2012, 07:29 PM
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1. Bobrov
2. Kharlamov
3. Makarov
4. Datsyuk
5. Fedorov
6. Firsov
7. Malkin
8. Bure
9. Mogilny
10. Maltsev

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07-30-2012, 05:58 AM
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1. Kharlamov
2. Bure
3. Fedorov
4. Datsyuk
5. Makarov
6. Krutov
7. Larionov
8. Petrov
9. Mikhailov
10. Malkin

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07-30-2012, 06:25 AM
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1. Kharlamov
2. Bure
3. Fedorov
4. Datsyuk
5. Makarov
6. Krutov
7. Larionov
8. Petrov
9. Mikhailov
10. Malkin
If you're gonna go Soviet, how can you pick Petrov and pan Firsov?

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07-30-2012, 07:15 AM
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If you're gonna go Soviet, how can you pick Petrov and pan Firsov?
Depending on how broad based the skill set evaluation is. Soviet centers tended to extremely versatile and complete skill sets. What Petrov may have lacked in hi-lite or Youtube skills he more than made-up in overall hockey skills.

The Soviet wingers are a different issue. Bure had very versatile skills but they were rarely applied. Kharlamov was fairly consistent with his versatility. Firsov played the vast majority of his career before the 1969 introduction of the Red Line into International hockey so his skill set was lacking in this context.

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07-30-2012, 01:19 PM
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Depending on how broad based the skill set evaluation is. Soviet centers tended to extremely versatile and complete skill sets. What Petrov may have lacked in hi-lite or Youtube skills he more than made-up in overall hockey skills.

The Soviet wingers are a different issue. Bure had very versatile skills but they were rarely applied. Kharlamov was fairly consistent with his versatility. Firsov played the vast majority of his career before the 1969 introduction of the Red Line into International hockey so his skill set was lacking in this context.
Please explain.

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07-30-2012, 02:57 PM
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Please explain.
Fall 1969 the IIHF adopted the NHL version of the Red Line rules, including allowing the aggressive physical forecheck in the offensive zone, the two line pass as opposed to the long pass. and other NHL nuances.

Players under the old rules had to re-learn exiting the defensive zone, breaking for a forward pass timing, etc.

The rules took away Firsov's speed skill advantages.

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Fall 1969 the IIHF adopted the NHL version of the Red Line rules, including allowing the aggressive physical forecheck in the offensive zone, the two line pass as opposed to the long pass. and other NHL nuances.

Players under the old rules had to re-learn exiting the defensive zone, breaking for a forward pass timing, etc.

The rules took away Firsov's speed skill advantages.

Firsov had the speed and technical ability to adapt to the changes. An aging Firsov made the WC all-star team in 1970 and 1971, including best forward at 1971 WC. Then, as his physical skills declined with age, he still possessed the all-around ability to be used as the "midfielder" (playmaking + defensive presence) on the Firsov/Vikulov/Kharlamov torpedo experiment.

If anything, your example highlights one of the many reasons why Firsov should be among the very elite on this list.

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1. Bobrov
2. Kharlamov
3. Makarov
4. Datsyuk
5. Fedorov
6. Firsov
7. Malkin
8. Bure
9. Mogilny
10. Maltsev
I love Bobrov. he has done great work for Soviet hockey, he is a legend. He had skill, but he is not the most naturally gifted. He's not out of place in the top ten but not on top . (just judging from the handful of games I watched him and from the situation he was in)

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Firsov had the speed and technical ability to adapt to the changes. An aging Firsov made the WC all-star team in 1970 and 1971, including best forward at 1971 WC. Then, as his physical skills declined with age, he still possessed the all-around ability to be used as the "midfielder" (playmaking + defensive presence) on the Firsov/Vikulov/Kharlamov torpedo experiment.

If anything, your example highlights one of the many reasons why Firsov should be among the very elite on this list.

WC everyone was on the same footing amongst the Europeans since all the players were adapting. Against Canadians this was not the case. You could see that the new rules impact. The instincts were no longer there, the timing was off, he was getting crowded and rushed.

http://www.chidlovski.net/1954/54_pl....asp?p_id=f010

He did not play against Canada after December 1969.


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