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07-10-2012, 10:10 PM
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im worried more about his smarts/awareness when he doesn't have the puck... and his strength...

see game tying goal against vs philly in game 81 for a perfect example
You've brought up this one play numerous times when discussing Ennis, as if it is his defining play. Anyone can be taught to play responsible defense, being a scorer is an innate ability. Please tell us again how Gerbe is more valuable than Ennis.

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You've brought up this one play numerous times when discussing Ennis, as if it is his defining play. Anyone can be taught to play responsible defense, being a scorer is an innate ability. Please tell us again how Gerbe is more valuable than Ennis.
did you ever watch max afinogenov play here?

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07-10-2012, 10:17 PM
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Peeking around NHL.com, I'd say he definitely had some rough stretches in 09-10. Maybe not 20 games pointless, but I don't think the team as a whole lost 12 straight road games at any point either.

I think it's easier to luck into a point or two when the team around you is actually able to step up for a little bit. Instead they fell apart just as Adam did. Hard. An almost record breaking level of hard.

If anything sending him down to the AHL could've been saving him from deteriorating further on the worst team in the NHL, but I do believe that Adam's confidence was shot at that point and I'm not ruling out that Lindy probably didn't do much to help.


Apparently enough that the lack of it was worth mentioning on the way out.
Believe me, I'm not a fan of Staffords game. Less for his point production, and more for his lack of presence when he's not appearing on the scoreboard. Again though, I believe that he would have needed to clear waivers when he slumped hard in 09-10.

I still take Boyes comments with a grain of salt. If I recall correctly, he hadn't been signed to a team when he made that statement, so he's motivated to deflect to the system and coaches lack of communication as the reason for being year long no show.

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You've brought up this one play numerous times when discussing Ennis, as if it is his defining play. Anyone can be taught to play responsible defense, being a scorer is an innate ability. Please tell us again how Gerbe is more valuable than Ennis.
yup, that play is a good visual example that represents Ennis defensive zone play (or lack there of)

i disagree that "anyone" can be taught to play responsible defense. it's a skill.

i did not believe ennis could move to center, largely because of his inadequacies defensively. it would appear i was wrong.

please tell us again how he scored 80 pts last year

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Is he really 160 though, or is that just some wonky NHL.com listing...



I remember at least a few comments about him looking bigger at running summer camps...

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did you ever watch max afinogenov play here?
Just because not every player learns to play defense at a high level, doesn't mean that you can't teach any given player good defensive play.

You 100% cannot teach Ennis's offensive skillset.

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Ya know, I like it. I'd rather start Ennis on the track to eventually become our #1, all situations guy now. He's shown he has the talent.

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Ya know, I like it. I'd rather start Ennis on the track to eventually become our #1, all situations guy now. He's shown he has the talent.


really? he's shown the talent to be an all situations player? you realize "all situations" includes defensive situations like dzone draws and pk, where things like faceoffs, shot blocking, strength, defensive awareness are needed skills that ennis has actually NOT shown he has the talent

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Just because not every player learns to play defense at a high level, doesn't mean that you can't teach any given player good defensive play.

You 100% cannot teach Ennis's offensive skillset.
so there are no bad defensive players... because everyone can be taught.

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07-10-2012, 10:31 PM
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I have a feeling that Ruff won't be playing Ennis too defensively. Or at least, I hope not. Because Jame and others are right; while Ennis is likely to improve in that area, his game is purely offensive right now.

Roy, while not a Selke caliber forward, does have a two way game that Ennis doesn't have. I'm thinking the quote has more to do with the offensive ice time Roy received.

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Ya know, I like it. I'd rather start Ennis on the track to eventually become our #1, all situations guy now. He's shown he has the talent.
I personally think his career long niche will be centering a scoring mismatch line. But yeah I don't see the harm in trying him in all situations role this year.

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Ya know, I like it. I'd rather start Ennis on the track to eventually become our #1, all situations guy now. He's shown he has the talent.
He's shown he has the talent to become a Briere type player, but that's not an all situations center. Drury was an all situations center, and if anybody on this roster can be molded to that kind of guy it's Hodgson.

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He's shown he has the talent to become a Briere type player, but that's not an all situations center. Drury was an all situations center, and if anybody on this roster can be molded to that kind of guy it's Hodgson.
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He's shown he has the talent to become a Briere type player, but that's not an all situations center. Drury was an all situations center, and if anybody on this roster can be molded to that kind of guy it's Hodgson.
Girgs is probably even more likely when/if he makes the roster. But you're right. I would imagine Lindy is thinking about keeping FES going offensively with VHP being a two way scoring line and some gritty checking line with some skill featuring Ott as a winger or center with Leino and Gerbe perhaps.

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really? he's shown the talent to be an all situations player? you realize "all situations" includes defensive situations like dzone draws and pk, where things like faceoffs, shot blocking, strength, defensive awareness are needed skills that ennis has actually NOT shown he has the talent
I mostly meant the #1 offensive center duties, but the defense can come... We don't need him to be a powerhouse defensive player (Though Lindy will most likely aim for that), we really just need him to be adequate, because while his line is on the ice, I doubt they'll be playing defense all that much.

As for the PK, well.... We have a bunch of guys who have shown they're very good on the penalty kill.

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He's shown he has the talent to become a Briere type player, but that's not an all situations center. Drury was an all situations center, and if anybody on this roster can be molded to that kind of guy it's Hodgson.
Good point. Why can't Ennis be our Briere sort of player? Hodgson can be the Drury of the team. I don't think anyone was crying about Briere's defense when he scored 90 points for us...

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I think Ennis could be molded into a good penalty killer way easier than a good defensive forward...

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Good point. Why can't Ennis be our Briere sort of player? Hodgson can be the Drury of the team. I don't think anyone was crying about Briere's defense when he scored 90 points for us...
I don't think anyone would have a problem with that scenario playing out, but Ruff's comments didn't sound like that's what he's trying to do.

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I think Ennis could be molded into a good penalty killer way easier than a good defensive forward...
i agree. it's much easier

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He's shown he has the talent to become a Briere type player, but that's not an all situations center. Drury was an all situations center, and if anybody on this roster can be molded to that kind of guy it's Hodgson.
The powers that be seem to feel that Ennis is closer to being, or more fit to be, that guy for us to start the upcoming season. Take that for what it is worth.

We certainly know that, until Ennis proves some wrong, Ruff will take heat simply for this quote. We get it, guys. Some of you want the coach fired.

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I mostly meant the #1 offensive center duties, but the defense can come... We don't need him to be a powerhouse defensive player (Though Lindy will most likely aim for that), we really just need him to be adequate, because while his line is on the ice, I doubt they'll be playing defense all that much.

As for the PK, well.... We have a bunch of guys who have shown they're very good on the penalty kill.
we used to...now we basically have poms, ott, kaleta, and maybe gerbe as our only decent, proven options. staff can do it if needed. probably hodgson is going to be another guy to get on there, maybe foligno too, ennis is also a decent option with his quickness

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I mostly meant the #1 offensive center duties, but the defense can come... We don't need him to be a powerhouse defensive player (Though Lindy will most likely aim for that), we really just need him to be adequate, because while his line is on the ice, I doubt they'll be playing defense all that much.

As for the PK, well.... We have a bunch of guys who have shown they're very good on the penalty kill.
so, when they are on the road, the opponent won't be throwing the Spezza line, the Malkin line, etc over the boards at him?

if they intend to keep giving the ennis line the ozone heavy shifts, then they can prevent a lot of that... but if they intend on expanding his role, then the opponent is going to get a lot more opportunities to put their top scoring lines on the ice against FES

Does anyone think that it's good for FES to be facing Crosby... or Bergon/Lucic? or Spezza?

I don't

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Good point. Why can't Ennis be our Briere sort of player? Hodgson can be the Drury of the team. I don't think anyone was crying about Briere's defense when he scored 90 points for us...
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we used to...now we basically have poms, ott, kaleta, and maybe gerbe as our only decent, proven options. staff can do it if needed. probably hodgson is going to be another guy to get on there, maybe foligno too
Stafford was a regular last season, so he'll get plenty of PK time this season.

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so, when they are on the road, the opponent won't be throwing the Spezza line, the Malkin line, etc over the boards at him?

if they intend to keep giving the ennis line the ozone heavy shifts, then they can prevent a lot of that... but if they intend on expanding his role, then the opponent is going to get a lot more opportunities to put their top scoring lines on the ice against FES

Does anyone think that it's good for FES to be facing Crosby... or Bergon/Lucic? or Spezza?

I don't
this big problem=round hole
tyler ennis at this point in his career trying to fix this problem=square peg
do what you do best, lindy but also

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