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07-18-2012, 12:00 PM
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So basically you're making things up because of two people and discrediting what others have said about him because 'it's the easy way out.' I guess that seems completely fair. Spezza was called out by actual coaches (Martin, Hitchcock.) I guess we'll just agree to disagree about perspectives in this one given that I think two people who are no longer with the organization have something negative to say about it (two people of how many that Semin has played and/or interacted with?) All it takes is two guys with bad experiences (oddly enough, two guys that weren't kept while Semin was) to give someone a bad rap...add in the fact that he's Russian and doesn't play a 'North American' game and it makes him an easy target.

Also if you think that Semin is the reason that Boudreau got canned you need to take a hard look at that team and what it was going through. There's a much higher profile player that was really not performing to expectations and was literally talking **** about his coach even from the bench.

In fairness, coaches often call out players in an attempt to motivate them. I think Hitchcocks comments were double sided, alluding to how good he could become while he coached him at the worlds if I recall. Martin's where while both were with the team, and likely an attempt to get him to "fix" the percieved issues in his game.

If Martin started commenting now, that would be odd. Same goes for Hitch.

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07-18-2012, 01:31 PM
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Can we just drop the Semin crap?

There's like a 1 in 100 chance we make an offer and a 1 in 500 chance he actually chooses to sign it, if so. Your fingers' energy would be much better spent doing other things.
There was a 1 in 10,000 chance i respond to this

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07-19-2012, 12:23 AM
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****, just what Ottawa needs is another facking all star defensemen in the eastern conference. C'mon Ottawa go and get Ryan before some other eastern team does.

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Wow 14 year deal. Pronger-Weber is going to be scary

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07-19-2012, 12:55 AM
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Wow 14 year deal. Pronger-Weber is going to be scary
Pronger's lucky if he ever plays again.

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07-19-2012, 01:03 AM
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nsh has to match. losing top 2 d's is insane.

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Pronger's lucky if he ever plays again.
He has 14 years to recover from his injury

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07-19-2012, 08:08 PM
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nsh has to match. losing top 2 d's is insane.
If they lose Weber they are a lottery team, Rinne is going to have to carry Nashville more than he already does.

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07-19-2012, 09:30 PM
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If they lose Weber they are a lottery team, Rinne is going to have to carry Nashville more than he already does.
They won't be. They likely won't make the playoffs but they won't be lottery.

They still have Klein, Blum, Ellis, Ekholm, Josi, ... lots of talent on the backend it's scary. They have Rinne and are well coached, they won't be lottery.

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They won't be. They likely won't make the playoffs but they won't be lottery.

They still have Klein, Blum, Ellis, Ekholm, Josi, ... lots of talent on the backend it's scary. They have Rinne and are well coached, they won't be lottery.
Jesus thats sad

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They won't be. They likely won't make the playoffs but they won't be lottery.

They still have Klein, Blum, Ellis, Ekholm, Josi, ... lots of talent on the backend it's scary. They have Rinne and are well coached, they won't be lottery.
I like Ellis, would like him even better if he was a Senator.

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07-19-2012, 11:42 PM
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And at one point we thought that the Predators had too much depth. Always go for BPA.

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07-19-2012, 11:52 PM
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Nashville is a budget team and that contract is way to much for them.

Even if they do match it, Weber made it clear when he signed the offer sheet that he wants to leave.

They have two options the way I see it:

1. Match the offer than trade him for less than he's worth

2. Let Philly have him and take the 4 first round picks.

I think they probably get more from the first round picks if they draft well enough.

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07-20-2012, 07:48 AM
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Iirc they can't trade him for a year if they match the offer sheet, not sure about it though.

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07-20-2012, 08:06 AM
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Nashville is a budget team and that contract is way to much for them.

Even if they do match it, Weber made it clear when he signed the offer sheet that he wants to leave.

They have two options the way I see it:

1. Match the offer than trade him for less than he's worth

2. Let Philly have him and take the 4 first round picks.

I think they probably get more from the first round picks if they draft well enough.
They USED to be a budget team. Not anymore. They're willing to spend the dough now. The days of the Preds self imposed cap are over.

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07-20-2012, 08:48 AM
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It's also quite possible that Philly sends a player or two Nashville's way like Voracek & NSH also signs Carle plus they still get the 4 1st rders.

To Philly: Weber
To NSH: 4 1st rders & Voracek
- NSH can then afford to trade a couple of 1st rders to upgrade a position, maybe make a play for Ryan.

Nsh signs UFA Carle, they will need some veteran presence on defence.

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07-20-2012, 08:55 AM
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Weber made it clear when he signed the offer sheet that he wants to leave.
Not necessarily, with the NHL proposing a 5 year limit to contract lengths in the new CBA. Weber and his agent might have felt that this was their last chance at a mega deal. If Nashville wasn't willing to offer him one, the offer sheet now guarantees he'll get it before the new CBA is in place.

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It's also quite possible that Philly sends a player or two Nashville's way like Voracek & NSH also signs Carle plus they still get the 4 1st rders.

To Philly: Weber
To NSH: 4 1st rders & Voracek
- NSH can then afford to trade a couple of 1st rders to upgrade a position, maybe make a play for Ryan.

Nsh signs UFA Carle, they will need some veteran presence on defence.
Tampa signed Carle already.

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It's also quite possible that Philly sends a player or two Nashville's way like Voracek & NSH also signs Carle plus they still get the 4 1st rders.

To Philly: Weber
To NSH: 4 1st rders & Voracek
- NSH can then afford to trade a couple of 1st rders to upgrade a position, maybe make a play for Ryan.

Nsh signs UFA Carle, they will need some veteran presence on defence.
While Philly will definitely have to make a few player moves if Nashville doesn't match, they won't be sending a player to Nashville out of any remorse for offer sheeting Weber.

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While Philly will definitely have to make a few player moves if Nashville doesn't match, they won't be sending a player to Nashville out of any remorse for offer sheeting Weber.
Why would they need to do that?

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07-23-2012, 07:57 AM
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So on the trade board there's an article quoting that Visnovsky is considering going to arbitration to veto the trade to the Islanders because of some clause in his contract from back when he signed with the kings way back when... the Ducks feel this clause is null but Visnovsky and the NHLPA seem to think otherwise.

Murray.. Don't miss the F'ing Boat if this becomes reality.

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07-23-2012, 08:34 AM
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The Weber offer sheet will probably not be matched by Nashville which is unfortunate as Weber was probably that team. Be interesting to see how they do next year. They still have Trotz as coach and plenty of depth as a team.

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The Weber offer sheet will probably not be matched by Nashville which is unfortunate as Weber was probably that team. Be interesting to see how they do next year. They still have Trotz as coach and plenty of depth as a team.
Nash will be fine either way. Long term I think they are better off without weber and suter. Obviously they wanted to cash in big, and IMO you don't win with those types of players. Detroit is a great example, plenty of their players could have cashed in big, but they took less than the open market value to stay and play for a cup every year.

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Nash will be fine either way. Long term I think they are better off without weber and suter. Obviously they wanted to cash in big, and IMO you don't win with those types of players. Detroit is a great example, plenty of their players could have cashed in big, but they took less than the open market value to stay and play for a cup every year.
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Lubomir Visnovsky has filed a grievance through the NHLPA to void his trade to #Isles, claiming his no-trade clause is still valid.

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