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07-13-2012, 03:18 PM
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Lets see those sources.
Sources for what, a conversation? I dont really care if you believe me or not. My original point is if you want Morrow it is going to cost you more than Zib.

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07-13-2012, 03:24 PM
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...and my original point was that's moronic.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...7569--nhl.html

Is Melnyk/Murray crazy enough?

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that's crazy... so crazy it just might work



Melnyk is crazy enough for sure, especially if he think Doan = Roberts or something

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My original point is if you want Morrow it is going to cost you more than Zib.
Based on what? Here's a good start:

Mike Fisher for a 1st (21st overall) and 3rd. Fisher was younger and under contract for longer thus its easy to assume he was worth more.

Mike Ribeiro for Cody Eakin and a 2nd. Ribeiro is a center and a more productive player without the injury issues of Morrow. Probably very similar in terms of value, but you could make a good case for Ribeiro being worth more.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say Zibanejad carries (far) more value than Eakin. Zibanejad was practically a lottery pick. You're not going to see anyone offering up a lottery pick for an injury prone 33 year old who has limited offensive capabilities.

Just seems like you either vastly over value Morrow or just don't really consider the recent history of trades or understand value of players vs prospects.


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07-13-2012, 03:53 PM
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Fuggit, I'd do it. We'll have the space and he'll replace a lot of what we lose with Alfie.

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Fuggit, I'd do it. We'll have the space and he'll replace a lot of what we lose with Alfie.
Yeah, I guess it depends on what they plan to do with the cap space over the next 4 years...

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That does kind of sound like something Murray would do in this situation. I think it's high, even when high is concerned though.

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Sources for what, a conversation? I dont really care if you believe me or not. My original point is if you want Morrow it is going to cost you more than Zib.
if the Sens offered Zibanejad for Morrow straight up, Nieuwendyk would take that deal and run away laughing.

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My sources say it's Toronto.

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07-13-2012, 04:09 PM
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I wouldn't do Doan at that but if they could make it for 3 years instead, I'd view that as acceptable. They have the cap space if Melnyk is willing to fork out the cash, but we still have to be flexible when Spezza, Michalek, Cowen and others contracts are up.

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07-13-2012, 04:13 PM
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If I was going to guess, my first guess would be the New York Rangers, because after Drury, Gomez, Redden, Avery, etc. it seems like the idea of properly valuing free agents still eludes them.

My second guess would be one of the Eastern conference teams way beneath the cap floor: Islanders or Panthers.

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07-13-2012, 04:27 PM
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I really want to say no, that's a stupid deal.

But man... I'd do it. I don't really know why, but I'd do it.

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07-13-2012, 04:35 PM
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Eh, I wouldn't be totally against it.

I mean, we're technically under the cap floor right now.

Alfie's cap hit will be off the books in 2013-14 (I'm guessing), we'll still have a ton of cheap entry-level deals on the roster in the next 3 years...

It wouldn't be the smartest money decision, but it wouldn;t kill us, either. Like someone said, I'd rather a 3 year term, but Doan would OWN for us for the next few years.

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07-13-2012, 04:36 PM
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I wouldn't be all that upset with it. We wouldn't have to worry about hitting the cap floor.

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07-13-2012, 05:00 PM
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I'd absolutely do the Doan deal.

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I wouldn't do more than 2 years 10mil for Doan

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I would do that deal for Doan, but it would be nicer if it was 3 years instead of 4. Bet it was Holmgren who offered it.

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07-13-2012, 05:44 PM
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Well, it wouldn't be coming from my pocket and we're wayyyyy under the cap. I don't think there would be many complications with young guys needing lots of $$ in the next four years that the rumored Doan deal would kill us, capwise, so I wouldn't be against it.

Only thing is, it might be nice to keep 7+ mil to chase after a younger free agent next summer or even the one after, but at the same time, you never really know who's going to actually reach free agency and if they'd even want to sign here.

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Where has the Spezza trade talk gone to ? I miss those days
After he showed everyone he is still easily a PPG+ player when healthy even with ok linemates.

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07-13-2012, 05:54 PM
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After he showed everyone he is still easily a PPG+ player when healthy even with ok linemates.
People normally forced him into trade talks anyways. Guess the Karlsson/Spezza show is too awesome to even talk about trading.

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07-13-2012, 06:01 PM
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I would do that deal for Doan. He would score 30 with Spezza and offer so much other things to this team like leadership, grit.

I still think the term a tad too long and I don't think Murray is the one who made it but Murray seems to be trying to covet a powerforward for some time now and we need to hit the cap floor so who knows.

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What could possibly go wrong with a 37/38/39 year old having a 7.5m cap hit?...

I think we can establish at this point that we aren't a team that's committed to big contracts anyways.

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07-13-2012, 07:02 PM
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Hey now, Doan scored 30+ goals that one time and is a good, Canadian boy.

Just because we're not at the floor right now doesn't mean that it's a decent move to spend 7.5 on a 35+, multi-year contract for a declining player. Who knows were the team will be cap-wise in 4 years, and just because we're nowhere near the cap doesn't mean that money spent on bad contracts isn't money that could be spent on good contracts.

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